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"Say what you will, but it goes off HUGE in a club!"
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| RJT |
This is an argument that seems to pop up approximately 90% of the time there is any dispute over a tunes "massiveness," and IMO, it's an utter crock and cop out.
What many of you seem to fail to realize is that music is a subjective experience, and while one's opinion on a specific piece may change over time, simply "hearing it out in a club" is hardly likely to make one feel a tune that is lackluster is anything more.
Case in point, this Gabriel Ananda nonsense with "Dopplewhipper." It's clear a few people have gone out to a club and "heard it at the right time," and use that as their justification for why anyone should like a tune. That' fine, but you have to understand it's your subjective experience that has brought the piece into favor with you, not the artistic merit of the piece itself. Claiming "you just need to hear it in a club" assumes that every condition met when the person making said claim will be true for the listener they're trying to sway - This is almost never going to be the case.
Simply put, just because Sasha, Lawler, Ferry, Armin, Holden, Vath, Hawtin, etc. played "Aftermath" at 3:33 AM on Ibiza while you were gurnin' your off and you thought it was "SOOOOOO PERFECT!" does not make "Aftermath" a good track. Stop claiming that it does. |
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| UWM |
| *Thinks about posting, whistles inncently, walks out of thread* |
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| RJT |
| lol - make no mistake; I've had similar experiences to the one described above, but honestly, it didn't make me think a tune I had previously thought was bad all of a sudden seem good. |
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| UWM |
When it's all cut and dried, though, isn't it the intention of the majority of producers to create music that will achieve a desired effect in a club / performance setting? I don't think it's normally intended for home listening, and as such, a proper critique on the integrity / quality of the track might not be feasible.
There have been moments (see: Deep Breath Sedna) where I would've initially written a track off after a listen on a small system / at home, but after hearing it out thought to myself, "Well it does work well." I don't necessarily know, however, if that would change my opinion on whether or not I determine it to be a "good track."
But like you said, music taste is all subjective in the end. :) |
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| SYSTEM-J |
The last time this argument came up about a track, this is what I put:
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I think the "club system" argument holds reasonable weight. Some tracks are specifically made to be played very loud on very good systems, and something is always lost when you downgrade to the living room. Granted, it means the track in question is pretty limited musically, being ultimately nothing more than "club banger", but if it sounds better it sounds better. And the club is the intended context, is it not? |
EDIT: Amusingly enough (given UWM's post), taken from here. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
I don't necessarily know, however, if that would necessarily change my opinion on whether or not I determine it to be a "good track."
But like you said, music taste is all subjective in the end. :) |
Those are the keys bro ;)
Just because something works in a club, doesn't mean I'd be willing to say I think it's a "good" track. |
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| UWM |
*applauds a good discussion and apologizes for several edits to my exceptionally redundant word-usage in my post*
:p |
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| RJT |
I think the both of you make excellent points, and I agree. My concern is solely over the argument that the because a tune "works in a club," it's a good tune.
Not only is what qualifies a "good tune" limited due to the subjective nature of music, but it's also due in large part to the limited nature of "club bangers" that SYSTEM-J mentioned.
So while I do think the estimation that "it works in a club" is reasonable, I take serious umbridge with the often posited claim that because "it works in a club," it is therefore undeniably good. (And I'm not pointing fingers here - I certainly do not mean to implicate Bas and/or Clovis in this solely by prior association to the "Dopplewhipper" thread. This situation just occurs on TA rather frequently, and will likely continue to.) |
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| KilldaDJ |
| i went to a club wednesday and they played darude - sandstorm. i was drunk so i danced to it :wtf: :toothless |
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| Cloud |
| I can't see something wrong with this argument. I would like to know how a track sounds live. |
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| RapidFire |
I can kinda see the argument working if a person said "you need a good soundsystem to really get the feel of the track". that sounds reasonable. alot of well produced tracks lose sound watered down on computer speakers, etc.
but anybody who uses "you have to hear it played at the right time at peak hour in a club" is just grasping at straws |
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