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Sven Vath: The ultimate "Tracklist rocks/Mixing is spotty" DJ? (pg. 5)
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| Ricky Tan |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Sid
Gude laune! |
any body care to tell me what that is/means? Thanks |
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| bobba lou |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ricky Tan
any body care to tell me what that is/means? Thanks |
good mood |
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| paulandrews |
| quote: | Originally posted by bobba lou
good mood |
Well, it should be 'Gute Laune' then. Anyone care to tell me why is there 'd' instead of 't'? :p
Iīve always seen it written with 'd', so I know itīs not just misspelling. |
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| Tenshi |
it's just the way some of the germans pronounce it!
it's deffintely Gute Laune though |
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| refuge |
| Sven's mixing can be dodgy at times, but for the most part I'd say he knows what he's doing. His programming is matched by few. One of my favorite DJs... |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
Prog/House/Trance gets boring when it's all super smooth unnatural transitions. |
Oh, bull. These genres tend to be at their best when they are impeccably mixed. The transitions become seamless, and the individual tracks become one.
Of course, if your tracks are boring to begin with, then impeccable mixing isn't going to make your set any more interesting. I know there are a lot of DJs that are guilty of this. They think they're hot because their technical skill is sharp, but they completely disregard the importance of selection and flow. But you can't just declare that "rough, natural" mixing would make things any better.
Selection is just as important to your transition as your beatmatching, phrase matching, and EQing. Just because your beats are locked on perfectly, doesn't mean two tracks are going to sound good when mixed together. And on the other hand, just because two tracks sound perfect when mixed together doesn't mean they contribute anything to the overall flow of your set.
The epitome of being a DJ is combining all of these elements. Yeah, a rough transition from one great song to another is better than a smooth transition between two bad/boring songs. But a truly great DJ is one that makes smooth transitions between two great songs, all while maintaining the programming/flow of the entire set.
One of the best examples that comes to mind is Disc 1 of Balance 009. I don't know if this was mixed live or done on a computer, but either way it's amazing. |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
Oh, bull. These genres tend to be at their best when they are impeccably mixed. The transitions become seamless, and the individual tracks become one.
Of course, if your tracks are boring to begin with, then impeccable mixing isn't going to make your set any more interesting. I know there are a lot of DJs that are guilty of this. They think they're hot because their technical skill is sharp, but they completely disregard the importance of selection and flow. But you can't just declare that "rough, natural" mixing would make things any better.
Selection is just as important to your transition as your beatmatching, phrase matching, and EQing. Just because your beats are locked on perfectly, doesn't mean two tracks are going to sound good when mixed together. And on the other hand, just because two tracks sound perfect when mixed together doesn't mean they contribute anything to the overall flow of your set.
The epitome of being a DJ is combining all of these elements. Yeah, a rough transition from one great song to another is better than a smooth transition between two bad/boring songs. But a truly great DJ is one that makes smooth transitions between two great songs, all while maintaining the programming/flow of the entire set.
One of the best examples that comes to mind is Disc 1 of Balance 009. I don't know if this was mixed live or done on a computer, but either way it's amazing. |
True, but in my opinion there is two types of rough mixing.
1, a DJ is attempting to be as streamlined as possible; he is making seamless mix, until track 10, he gimps it, and trainwrecks. This is how you view DJing, that suddenly a hat slips out the mix, and its a poor mix from there on...
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2, a DJ is attempting to just mix up some of his sickest tracks, like Sven, is not obsessed by getting every hat and kick in the right place, because he knows and feels that its the next record to put on... not that its the next one in some numerical system that proves it is the right tune to be next.
Some DJs are deliberately trying to be seamless mixers.
Some DJs dont give a , because it isn't the be all and end all of the party for the majority of people listening at the time. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
True, but in my opinion there is two types of rough mixing.
1, a DJ is attempting to be as streamlined as possible; he is making seamless mix, until track 10, he gimps it, and trainwrecks. This is how you view DJing, that suddenly a hat slips out the mix, and its a poor mix from there on...
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2, a DJ is attempting to just mix up some of his sickest tracks, like Sven, is not obsessed by getting every hat and kick in the right place, because he knows and feels that its the next record to put on... not that its the next one in some numerical system that proves it is the right tune to be next.
Some DJs are deliberately trying to be seamless mixers.
Some DJs dont give a , because it isn't the be all and end all of the party for the majority of people listening at the time. |
Excellent way of summing it up.
I'd like to categorize myself a bigger fan of djs in the #2 cateogory. Not to say there aren't excellent technically profficient DJs, because there are a lot and a lot kick ass. It just isn't the be all and end all. find a recent tiesto tracklist thats hits me like svens does and i'll take back everything i never said about tiestos ty mixing. :p |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by chesco
It was released, i bought it but rarely play it as it's a **** to mix. |
too ing right |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
True, but in my opinion there is two types of rough mixing.
1, a DJ is attempting to be as streamlined as possible; he is making seamless mix, until track 10, he gimps it, and trainwrecks. This is how you view DJing, that suddenly a hat slips out the mix, and its a poor mix from there on...
However
2, a DJ is attempting to just mix up some of his sickest tracks, like Sven, is not obsessed by getting every hat and kick in the right place, because he knows and feels that its the next record to put on... not that its the next one in some numerical system that proves it is the right tune to be next.
Some DJs are deliberately trying to be seamless mixers.
Some DJs dont give a , because it isn't the be all and end all of the party for the majority of people listening at the time. |
If two tracks, even two amazing ones, are so different as to be forced together in a rough, patchy mix, then they weren't meant to be played together.
I'm not naive, I know that every transition isn't going to be perfect. But any DJ who "doesn't give a " is ing lazy, imho, and could be doing a much better job. Even with great tracks, a shoddy mix hurts the crowd's momentum. It just sounds bad. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
If two tracks, even two amazing ones, are so different as to be forced together in a rough, patchy mix, then they weren't meant to be played together.
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is it the rough patchy mix that makes them not go together or is it that they don't go together so it's a rough patchy mix? |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
is it the rough patchy mix that makes them not go together or is it that they don't go together so it's a rough patchy mix? |
There's clearly no broad answer to that question, as it's entirely subjective based on the many specifics of any given mix.
And as far as I'm concerned, I don't care how good a tracklist is - if I'm out partying it up and I hear an utter wreck of a mix that absolutely ruins the sets energy, it is going to put me off.
I don't need perfect mixing to enjoy a night of good music - but there are certainly occasions when spotty mixing can absolutely break what could have been an otherwise great set. |
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