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Nas - Hip Hop is Dead (pg. 2)
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| fr0st |
| I really dig MF Doom, but then again im a nerd and I love comics and Science fiction. So he just may appeal to me.... |
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| nugga |
| A Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul. Those were the days... |
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| dj tek |
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| Blake |
I kinda stopped following hip hop/rap sometime in the late 90's. I really loathe most commercial rap/hip hop for too many reasons to post (though i wouldn't mind discussing in person). As such I didn't know anything about Nas' new album but I'd pretty much agree with the title. I'll be sure to give it a listen after work today
*Drew where u at ? Remember that hip hop track you pointed out, driving back from Canda, that sounded like some 5 year olds produced it?
I mean come on... Oompa-loompa's and chicken noodle soup?? wtf?? I promised myself I'd never be one of those old folks who says, "I remember when music was MUSIC." But as far as this goes, looks like that's going to be the case. :( |
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| Keryn |
| I haven't really listened to rap since high school (before edm, zack was really into rap, like obsessed haha) but I got the new nas cd and the new ghostface killah cd and both are ridiculous. Makes me consider being a hiphop dj for about a second. |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
not big or pac thoo lol |
I'll give you Tupac. But Nas is better than Biggie. |
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| kid nyce |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
I'll give you Tupac. But Nas is better than Biggie. |
no way lol big and pac are at the top -- both lyrically sound
i wouldn't put nas up there with a classic flow, he has more of an established flow which does a good job reppin QB |
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| dj tek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
I'll give you Tupac. But Nas is better than Biggie. |
you also think havoc is better than prodigy...
just bustin'
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
no way lol big and pac are at the top -- both lyrically sound
i wouldn't put nas up there with a classic flow, he has more of an established flow which does a good job reppin QB |
I can't and will never consider Biggie better than any of the great MCs because his library of tracks equals about 20% of everyone else's. I can't consider anyone one of the best when he has less than 100 songs out.
Think about it this way, if Nas died after It was Written, people would be praising him just like they do Biggie because he would never have made I Am and Nastradamus. Biggie never had a chance to make a sucky album. |
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| Konijn |
tupac is so wack it's not even funny - absolute gahbage. so is mf grimm, who for inexplicable reasons continues to be worshipped by the whitey backpack set...
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i posted a longer version of this on a blog somewhere, but it's essentially a defense of current hip hop even (even though i can't stand it).
anyone who listened to rap in the '80s and early-mid '90s almost universally condems today's rap as silly, pop, shallow, tacky and virtually every other pejorative imagineable. the reality, though, is that everyone of a certain age is sentimentalizing and romanticizing an era that is fundamentally not too different from today.
i can literally write pages on this, drawing parallels in rhyme styles, content, aesthetics and vibe, but the larger point which people of a certain age continually miss is that hip hop is fundamentally a youth genre. this was always so, but now that hip hop is more than a generation old, the generational discontinuity has been pushed to the forefront.
we saw inklings of this break in the mid to late '90s when heads who came of age in the early to mid '80s criticized newer rappers for ting on the 'activist' legacy of their forebears by embracing a party and bling ethos. these older cats romanticized their era to the point where an entire 10 year period was reduced to a handful of politically (and religiously) active rappers. they forgot that rap had always been about partying, showing off and having a good time, and that "activist" rappers were not only in the minority, but they had embraced the party/egotistic vibe in some of their tracks as well.
the same thing is happening now, but it's more obvious because the numbers of dispossesed former fans are not only larger but their entire geographic region has been supplanted, making currently popular rap even more alien.
are the awful maternity-ward tee shirts currently rocked by kids really sillier than the cross colours shirts and legal jeans from chess king i was rocking in '91 and '92?
are the lyrics of young jeezy and lil' boosie that much inferior to riggedy riggedy nonsense of das efx or fu schnickens that we all loved?
is the current obsession with crack dealing and candy painted rides any more insular and single-minded than the era of '92 to '94 when everyone and their mom was talking hardcore and rocking first down parkas and ski masks? even the UMCs ditched the pastel pants and silly rhymes and came back thugged out in '93 before disappearing for good.
is the chicken noodle soup dance any more silly than the wop, the steve martin, the smurf, or the cabbage patch?
is pete nice ultimatelly more skilled than paul wall?
it's the same different address.
i find most current rappers appaling in both style and skill but i recognize that i've gotten old and some things have just passed me by. i bought my first rap vinyl in 1986 (i'm clearly dating myself here) so to expect a return to 'form' is ridiculous.
everyone bitching about current rap should just check themselves and pop in a copy of "illmatic," "nation of millions," "one for all" or "long live the kane" and simply enjoy the good old days and let the current cats shine. |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
everyone bitching about current rap should just check themselves and pop in a copy of "illmatic," "nation of millions," "one for all" or "long live the kane" and simply enjoy the good old days and let the current cats shine. |
Or just look further than the radio for their hip hop. |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
not big or pac thoo lol |
Big had the best "drink champagne, smoke blunts, bitches" kinda party music ever put on music. Thats probably why so many people love it so much! |
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