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Nas - Hip Hop is Dead (pg. 3)
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamez214
Or just look further than the radio for their hip hop. |
that's def. true, but many of the "underground," backpacker-crowd rappers are incredibly overrated by their own fans. guys like el-p, mf grimm, ra the rugged man, and the def jux and viper records crews can be ocassionaly dope, but for the most part are happily mired in mediocrity. they've created a niche and made a nice living for themselves, but their skills are above-average at best and their beats are generally vile.
some guys, like immortal technique, stand out from the pack in numerous ways but they're too gassed for their own good.
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biggie was dope because he had dope beats and flows and upon flows for days. |
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| kid nyce |
all this talk
these cats got nothing on my rap
lol |
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| Konijn |
| nas has gotten way too preach-y with all the "dead" talk;. he should hang out with holden and they can bitch and whine all day about their respective genres. |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
that's def. true, but many of the "underground," backpacker-crowd rappers are incredibly overrated by their own fans. guys like el-p, mf grimm, ra the rugged man, and the def jux and viper records crews can be ocassionaly dope, but for the most part are happily mired in mediocrity. they've created a niche and made a nice living for themselves, but their skills are above-average at best and their beats are generally vile.
some guys, like immortal technique, stand out from the pack in numerous ways but they're too gassed for their own good.
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biggie was dope because he had dope beats and flows and upon flows for days. |
It's all about Elzhi these days. He's one of my favorites and probably the best MC out there right now. |
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| fr0st |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
everyone bitching about current rap should just check themselves and pop in a copy of "illmatic," "nation of millions," "one for all" or "long live the kane" and simply enjoy the good old days and let the current cats shine. |
Sorry the new is garbage along with its production methods, I could write pages on the overproduction and over compression of modern music. I am not limiting myself to just hip-hop when i say this. But the quality of mainstream music and steadily decreased. |
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| Shamez214 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
that's def. true, but many of the "underground," backpacker-crowd rappers are incredibly overrated by their own fans. guys like el-p, mf grimm, ra the rugged man, and the def jux and viper records crews can be ocassionaly dope, but for the most part are happily mired in mediocrity. |
Just an aside about R.A. Yeah, I don't really like his music, but he puts on a hell of a show. I think that's why people sweat him so much.
In anycase, he had, in my opinion, the best verse of the year on Uncommon Valor by JMT:
| quote: | Originally posted by R.A.
True Story
Call me Thorburn, John A., staff sergeant
Marksman, skill in killin', illin', I'm able and willin'
Kill a village elephant, rapin' and pillage a village
Illegitimate killers, US Military guerrillas
This ain't no real war, Vietnam
World War II, that's a war, this is just a military conflict
Soothin' drug abusin', Vietnamese women screwin'
Sex, gambling and boozin', all this is amusin'
Bitches and guns, this is every man's dream
I don't wanna go home where I'm just an ordinary human being
Special Op, Huey chopper gun ship run
Gook run when the minigun spit, won't miss
Kill , spit four-thousand bullets a minute
Vic the Charlie, hit trigger, hit it, I'm in it to win it
Get it, the lieutenant hinted, the villain, I been it
The killing, I did it, cripple, did it, pictures I painted is vivid, live it
A wizard with weapons, the secret mission, we 'bout to begin it
Government funded, behind enemy lines
Bullets is sprayin', it's heatin' up a hundred degrees
The enemies the North Vietnamese, bitch please
Ain't no sweat, I'm told, "Be at ease"
Until I see the pilot got hit, and we 'bout to hit some trees
Tail and rotor broke, crash land
American man in Cambodia, right in the enemy hand
Take a swig of the Whiskey to calm us
Them yellow men wearin' black pajamas, they wanna harm us
They all up on us, bang, bang, bullet hit my chest, feel no pain
To my left, the captain caught a bullet right in his brain
Body parts flyin', loss of limbs, explosions
Bad intentions, I see my best friend's intestines
Pray to the one above, it's raining, I'm covered in mud
I think I'm dyin', I feel dizzy, I'm losin' blood
I see my childhood, I'm back in the arms of my mother
I see my whole life, I see Christ, I see bright lights
I see Israelites, Muslims and Christians at peace, no fights
Black, Whites, Asians, people of all types
I must've died, then I woke up, surprised I'm alive
I'm in a hospital bed, they rescued me, I survived
I escaped the war, came back, but ain't escape Agent Orange
Two of my kids born handicapped
Spastic, quadriplegia, micro cephalic
Cerebral palsy, cortical blindness, name it, they had it
My son died, he ain't live, but I still try to think positive
'Cause in life, God take, God give |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stassi
Big had the best "drink champagne, smoke blunts, bitches" kinda party music ever put on music. Thats probably why so many people love it so much! |
that whole image was a farce. He definately wasn't cruising around the world in a yacht, etc.... He was probably still selling rock when his first album came out. Also, i think its great that people say biggie, the ex crack dealer, was one of the greatest 'anything'. This man was vile and nothing but a burden upon society until his last years of living. |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
that whole image was a farce. He definately wasn't cruising around the world in a yacht, etc.... He was probably still selling rock when his first album came out. Also, i think its great that people say biggie, the ex crack dealer, was one of the greatest 'anything'. This man was vile and nothing but a burden upon society until his last years of living. |
I own all his records. I too must be a burden on your perfect society. |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
all this talk
these cats got nothing on my rap
lol |
I will give you a dollar next time I see you to bust out in this rap of yours ;) :happy2: :stongue: |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
tupac is so wack it's not even funny - absolute gahbage. so is mf grimm, who for inexplicable reasons continues to be worshipped by the whitey backpack set...
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i posted a longer version of this on a blog somewhere, but it's essentially a defense of current hip hop even (even though i can't stand it).
anyone who listened to rap in the '80s and early-mid '90s almost universally condems today's rap as silly, pop, shallow, tacky and virtually every other pejorative imagineable. the reality, though, is that everyone of a certain age is sentimentalizing and romanticizing an era that is fundamentally not too different from today.
i can literally write pages on this, drawing parallels in rhyme styles, content, aesthetics and vibe, but the larger point which people of a certain age continually miss is that hip hop is fundamentally a youth genre. this was always so, but now that hip hop is more than a generation old, the generational discontinuity has been pushed to the forefront.
we saw inklings of this break in the mid to late '90s when heads who came of age in the early to mid '80s criticized newer rappers for ting on the 'activist' legacy of their forebears by embracing a party and bling ethos. these older cats romanticized their era to the point where an entire 10 year period was reduced to a handful of politically (and religiously) active rappers. they forgot that rap had always been about partying, showing off and having a good time, and that "activist" rappers were not only in the minority, but they had embraced the party/egotistic vibe in some of their tracks as well.
the same thing is happening now, but it's more obvious because the numbers of dispossesed former fans are not only larger but their entire geographic region has been supplanted, making currently popular rap even more alien.
are the awful maternity-ward tee shirts currently rocked by kids really sillier than the cross colours shirts and legal jeans from chess king i was rocking in '91 and '92?
are the lyrics of young jeezy and lil' boosie that much inferior to riggedy riggedy nonsense of das efx or fu schnickens that we all loved?
is the current obsession with crack dealing and candy painted rides any more insular and single-minded than the era of '92 to '94 when everyone and their mom was talking hardcore and rocking first down parkas and ski masks? even the UMCs ditched the pastel pants and silly rhymes and came back thugged out in '93 before disappearing for good.
is the chicken noodle soup dance any more silly than the wop, the steve martin, the smurf, or the cabbage patch?
is pete nice ultimatelly more skilled than paul wall?
it's the same different address.
i find most current rappers appaling in both style and skill but i recognize that i've gotten old and some things have just passed me by. i bought my first rap vinyl in 1986 (i'm clearly dating myself here) so to expect a return to 'form' is ridiculous.
everyone bitching about current rap should just check themselves and pop in a copy of "illmatic," "nation of millions," "one for all" or "long live the kane" and simply enjoy the good old days and let the current cats shine. |
Brilliant. I would actually like to read the "longer version" if you still have it.
I used to knock new rap but simply gave up caring due to the fact that no one can take away the we grew up on. You are right about the same different addy thing...only thing i would disagree on is the fact that today's rap isn't fun, message driven or good times like it used to be. Today it is a little to full of itself (rappers that is).
Rap for me ended after Wu-Tang's first CD...those cats were on point with that one.
Oh and for side note:
Rakim owns Biggie and Tupac (both of whom sucked if you ask me).:D |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stassi
I own all his records. I too must be a burden on your perfect society. |
that doesn't even make sense. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. If you were a career criminal like he was then you would be a burden on society, whether perfect or not. What I said was that he was a burden upon society up until his last few years of life. By this i meant he surely wasn't paying taxes, he was wasting police resources, like that.
And im not saying whether he was a good or bad rapper because i've never really liked rap so I don't have an opinion on that. |
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