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Dubstep & Grime? (pg. 2)
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
having been exposed to a fair amount of this in the previous months due to the dog my housemate listens to, I have to say that the majority of grime is going to be a passing fad. There's simply not enough quality artists in the genre, and as soon as the recognition starts then the money will flow in and said artists will lose what realism they have. With it being still too underground to have the mainstream artists that UK Garage had, I feel it's going to die out completely within a couple of years. Which is absolutely no bad thing. |
I agree with the point about what happens to grime artists when they hit the mainstream (Roll Deep and Dizzee Rascal being prime examples). However, people seem to be far too eager to write the genre off simply because it hasn't managed to break into the mainstream properly. That's not really fair.
Grime has shaken off the disappointments and kept on pushing crews and artists forward. JME and Skepta have turned Boy Better Know into one very succesful brand name, and not just in the UK either. Wiley's new album is proper grimey, far from the watered down pap In At The Deep End was, and grime as a genre has developed several distinctive directions soundwise over the years. That's just as much, if not more than what mainstream UK Garage a la Artful Dodger has accomplished.
I could go on, but this interview with Logan Sama covers it quite well. |
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| bobba lou |
| enter the TA dubstep/grime experts. :toothless |
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| Stasis |
The BBC has a short dubstep documentary that should get you up to speed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A10695684
I saw the Plastician (shortly after he changed his name from "Plasticman", apparently he had honestly never heard of Richie Hawtin), in Boston at The Enormous Room. It was great show and really had people dancing by the end. It's all about the "bassline bubblah!" (that infamous wobbly-bass line that is common in dubstep songs). You'll actually hear Ricardo Villalobos play a dubstep track from time to time.
I also saw Dizzee Rascal in Boston, and he's an excellent intro-artist for grime, although he's not actually considered "Grime" anymore. :p I recommend checking out "Boy in da Corner" as a semi-friendly example of what the genre can be. Also, Dizzee's former partner-in-crime in the Roll Deep Crew, Wiley, is another great place to start.
Good luck! |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
I agree with the point about what happens to grime artists when they hit the mainstream (Roll Deep and Dizzee Rascal being prime examples). However, people seem to be far too eager to write the genre off simply because it hasn't managed to break into the mainstream properly. That's not really fair. |
that wasn't the point I was trying to make, but I can see from what I've said that may have been what has come across. The way I'm seeing Grime is that it's getting to a point where it's expanding, and I'm going to use Rap (massive generalisation I know but I hope you'll see where I'm coming from) as a counter. If anything I think Grime is growing too quickly, there isn't enough substance and variety in the style to really take off, and whilst you've quite rightly said it's moved in numerous different directions, I can't see any of them being able to sustain the genre for any considerable period of time.
Whilst I'd like to say I hope I'm wrong, I really can't. The entire grime scene/culture s me right off and I hope it dies quickly. |
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| RJT |
So wait, does that mean there was a time when Dizzee Rascal wasn't absolutely horrid?
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
So wait, does that mean there was a time when Dizzee Rascal wasn't absolutely horrid?
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almost, yeah |
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| Semirk |
I like a fair bit of grime, never liked Dizzee Rascal though, his voice just annoys me. I find that artists will be hit and miss, i'll get hooked on some songs then others i'll find . I'm also 50/50 between what I like, sometimes prefer the instrumentals and sometimes the whole product.
Few artists ive grown to like stuff from include Tinchy Stryder, Kano, Ruff Squad, Dexplicit, Shystie, Lady Sovereign (right at the commerical end also), Davinche and more. Previously mentioned ones like Wiley too.
Dubstep im getting into also but havent explored deep enough into it just yet. The artist album by Various Production titled 'The World Is Gone' is amazing though. Really recommend it. Some nice dark themes and even a bit of folk added into it. |
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| tyos |
at last.
i was wondering why no-one asked about these genres...
grime may be a passing trend but i don' think dubstep is. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
If anything I think Grime is growing too quickly, there isn't enough substance and variety in the style to really take off |
In other words, you're writing it off because it hasn't "taken off", aka broken into the mainstream like rap has. Like I said, that's not really fair. It takes more than 4-5 years to properly establish a genre within the mainstream, and considering how far grime has gotten in such a short space of time, I find it unlikely that it will simply die out now.
As for the alleged lack of variety and substance, I could easily list a bunch of MCs and artists that easily stand out from your average, but it's not gonna hold much weight towards someone who thinks the genre is complete anyway.
Finally, whether Dizzee Rascal gets on your nerves or not, Boy In Da Corner was an outstanding piece of work that sounded like noone else at the time. The awful stuff he does these days is a prime example of what can happen to grime artists once they get a taste of fame. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Finally, whether Dizzee Rascal gets on your nerves or not, Boy In Da Corner was an outstanding piece of work that sounded like noone else at the time. The awful stuff he does these days is a prime example of what can happen to grime artists once they get a taste of fame. |
Respectfully disagree. When we got "Boy in Da Corner" on promo at the radio station I worked at, I thought it was atrocious. For me, there was a clear reason it sounded like no one else at the time - I couldn't imagine anyone wanting to sound like that.
*cue "Diffr'nt Strokes" theme song*
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Let me ask this though, is the kind of lyrical delivery that someone like Dizzee Rascal uses commmonplace in grime? I really have no experience with "dubstep & grime," so this is all pretty much a learning experience for me... |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Let me ask this though, is the kind of lyrical delivery that someone like Dizzee Rascal uses commmonplace in grime? |
Depends what you mean by "delivery". If you mean spitting in double time as quickly as Dizzee did on tunes like "Stop Dat", then yes.
Like so, for instance |
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| distant |
| Let's try not to lump dubstep and grime together though lads. :D |
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