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Dubstep & Grime?
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| Spirit5 |
| Beatport has a new genre called "Dubstep & Grime". I'm listening to some of the tracks. It sounds like hip hop, drum n' bass and trip hop mixed with electro and techno. That's the best way to explain it. Anyone familiar with this and like this genre? It is okay, nothing special. Does it have anything to do with the DJ Spooky "Illbient" sound? Kind of reminds me a little of DJ Shadow's work as well... |
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| distant |
Dubstep is rooted in dark UK Garage and has heavy dub/reggae influences. Though it's quite grown out of that in some aspects.
Grime is a gritty variant of UK Garage with aggressive vocals (rapping, if you wish), often ragga influenced.
They're very different genres, they just haven't had a chance to separate them yet because they're not big enough genres. Frankly I think it's about time they do: anyone will tell you that dubstep is the biggest underground/urban scene on the rise today. |
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| Spirit5 |
| Thanks, how can you tell them apart? is the ones with rapping vocals Grime and the more instrumental ones Dubstep? Don't hear much singing per say, just rapping, spoken word or samples. |
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| distant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
is the ones with rapping vocals Grime and the more instrumental ones Dubstep? |
Bingo.
Or, "Dubstep is grime made properly." :o Dubstep is generally more experimental in its nature. As long as it has a heavy sub-bass and beats that whip you around, anything goes. Can't be explained really, so get your ass to the nearest dubstep night. :p Nothing like a wall of subwoofers pounding your chestplate with a filthy amount of pressure. |
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| Spirit5 |
| What about Illbient? Any relations to it? Or is Illbient more along the lines of trip hop or IDM? I hear some trip hop influences with this music, like Tricky. |
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| distant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
What about Illbient? Any relations to it? Or is Illbient more along the lines of trip hop or IDM? I hear some trip hop influences with this music, like Tricky. |
Dubstep has relations to everything. Trip-hop, yeah I guess, not Illbient so much though. Main influences, in approximate order: UK Garage, Dub, Drum'n'Bass, Hip-Hop, Breakbeat, Electro, Techno... list goes on. |
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| Az |
| a fair amount of it is UK garage trying to reinvent itself as something acceptable, IE: not , and failing miserable, but there's a few gems in the midst of the massive amount of dog |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Thanks, how can you tell them apart? is the ones with rapping vocals Grime and the more instrumental ones Dubstep? Don't hear much singing per say, just rapping, spoken word or samples. |
A dubstep tune will always have a prominent (sub)bass which drives the track forward, everything after that is more or less carte blanche.
Some examples of dubstep in this regard:
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF265527-01-01-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF264341-01-02-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF259798-01-04-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF188366-01-01-13.mp3
Grime, on the other hand, revolves around MCs. Still, there's loads of instrumental grime around too:
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF167379-01-01-05.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF265621-01-02-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF211002-01-02-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF261225-01-01-04.mp3
Both genres grew out of UK Garage, much as a counter action towards the bling bling/glitz-image the genre suffered from around 2000-1. The people involved in grime are usually from the poor, deprived areas of London, who can't really identify with all the glitz and glamour. |
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| Spirit5 |
| From the sounds of it, I like Dubstep better. I'm not a fan of rapping. Grime is too much rap (it practically is rap music). Guess I prefer instrumental, more melodic stuff. |
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| r5a |
| Go look at The Plastician, Digital Mystikz, Roll Deep, Burial (RECOMMEND) |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Grime is too much rap (it practically is rap music) |
The only thing it has in common with rap is the that there are MCs writing rhymes to beats, and that they both represent street culture. The respective cultures themselves, the image associated with them and the musical aspects are so vastly different that it'd be dump to lump them in with what hip hop MCs do and stand for these days.
That being said, rap and grime artists have collaborated on numerous occasions, and grime MCs often make hip hop tracks (much to the dismay of grime heads). |
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| Az |
| having been exposed to a fair amount of this in the previous months due to the dog my housemate listens to, I have to say that the majority of grime is going to be a passing fad. There's simply not enough quality artists in the genre, and as soon as the recognition starts then the money will flow in and said artists will lose what realism they have. With it being still too underground to have the mainstream artists that UK Garage had, I feel it's going to die out completely within a couple of years. Which is absolutely no bad thing. |
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