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Can i just say something after 6 months of DJing? (pg. 7)
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
limitations inspire creativity |
Word.
This is exactly how I managed to record a demo when I first started DJing with a pair of decks with no pitch control and a studio mixer with no EQ, no crossfader etc haha
No slipmats? No problem - just lift your record off the rubber mat slightly so that the platter can spin underneath then drop it when you want it to start :p
No pitch control? It's fine - work out the tempos of all of your tracks using the metronome on a crappy little Casio keyboard so that you can at least pick tracks within a couple of bpm of each other then give the slower record a little bit of a manual helping hand when you're in the mix ;)
I also noticed that on my mixer, if I routed both output bus 1 and output bus 2 to the same output channels for an input channel, as well as making it a bit louder it seemed to lose a bit of bass - nice, with a bit of careful level work I can now use that as a little bit of a bass EQ cut!
Like someone said in a previous thread - learn on ghetto gear and you'll be a better DJ in the end. I think when you get used to cheap gear you learn to find ways around certain issues, so you end up understanding what everything does a lot better which makes it easier to carry on when things go wrong. |
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| Smiley :D |
stu, i wish i had got a pair of crappy belt drives a few years ago and fully learnt to manipulate the vinyl and appreciate flawless beatmatching for the skill it is, instead i got a pair of cdj-800s :p
i'm one of the people who's had reasonable equipment from the word go, when i probably should have started with some cheapo crap decks, but thats just the way it goes i suppose
another question - how long does it take most people before they can flawlessly beatmach without having to pitch bend during the transition? |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Smiley :D
stu, i wish i had got a pair of crappy belt drives a few years ago and fully learnt to manipulate the vinyl and appreciate flawless beatmatching for the skill it is, instead i got a pair of cdj-800s :p
i'm one of the people who's had reasonable equipment from the word go, when i probably should have started with some cheapo crap decks, but thats just the way it goes i suppose
another question - how long does it take most people before they can flawlessly beatmach without having to pitch bend during the transition? |
Since I mix into loops, probably never :wtf:
I haven't gotten used to setting cue points and working with stutter mode to find when the bass or snare hits. It just seems like such a mess to me.
Whether mixing into loops makes me a tier dj or not, that doesn't really bother me, I do what's comfortable, and my transitions usually turn out alright in my book. Not great, but usually alright. |
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| Smiley :D |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
Since I mix into loops, probably never :wtf:
I haven't gotten used to setting cue points and working with stutter mode to find when the bass or snare hits. It just seems like such a mess to me.
Whether mixing into loops makes me a tier dj or not, that doesn't really bother me, I do what's comfortable, and my transitions usually turn out alright in my book. Not great, but usually alright. |
do you have trouble with riding the pitch though? cos i imagine the 4 beat loop is never gonna be perfect but i suppose with practice you can nail a perfect loop
if it sounds good, it is good in my opinion, you could mix into a loop using the corssfader while spinning round on your head wearing nothing etc etc but if it sounds good, then you're doing your job right imo :) |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Smiley :D
do you have trouble with riding the pitch though? cos i imagine the 4 beat loop is never gonna be perfect but i suppose with practice you can nail a perfect loop
if it sounds good, it is good in my opinion, you could mix into a loop using the corssfader while spinning round on your head wearing nothing etc etc but if it sounds good, then you're doing your job right imo :) |
I've gotten very good at cutting good loops. And if they're off, I can exit out and re-do, or you can edit the loop length. It just works for me. |
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| Chris Allen |
Pfft, you guys don't know a thing about mixing.
Crossfader all the way. No EQ's, no upfaders, no rotary: just crossfade.
Well, that's how the DJ's play in the clubs where I'm from. Abrupt, non-beatmatched, non-EQ'd mixing is the future!
PS. I hate top 40 + hip/hop |
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| theognis1002 |
its different tho... they DJ hip hop...
transitions arent long at all and they just do cuts |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Smiley :D
another question - how long does it take most people before they can flawlessly beatmach without having to pitch bend during the transition? |
I'm lazy so I still end up adjusting in the middle of a mix. No laws say you have to do otherwise - it's just quite nice and reassuring if you can spend ages getting it absolutely spot on beforehand.
If I really spend the whole of the outgoing track getting it perfect I can normally go for most of a mix without touching it (on vinyl at least), but I'm normally too busy playing with effects and samples/loops or chatting up all of my thousands of groupies or whatever. |
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| RJT |
+1 - I oftentimes find that just getting it close enough and knowing the correction I have to make allows me to do a lot more when I'm mixing (i.e. EFX/Samples/Loops/Scratching) than spending time getting every mix set up and perfectly beatmatched.
As has been said umpteen times in this thread already - good mixing isn't just about beatmatching. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
or chatting up all of my thousands of groupies or whatever. |
They take up all my time as well! |
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| Smiley :D |
| quote: | Originally posted by theognis1002
its different tho... they DJ hip hop...
transitions arent long at all and they just do cuts |
he was obviously being sarcastic :p
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| nefardec |
i definitely make minute adjustments while i'm mixing. i like to bring tracks in early over breakdowns and have fun with it so i don't worry about getting it perfect early on. simple math, rules of thumb, and a common sense, good memory will get you so close you barely have to do anything
125 bpm and 126 bpm are between 0.78 and 0.80 % apart, closer to 0.80. etc
you gotta stay part of the party
i generally like to keep people on their toes and layer tracks, so they think - what the is going on rather than to just get up there/in there/over there and play a favorites 'guess what tune is mixing next' set |
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