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Fierce Gaza fighting sparks fears of civil war (pg. 7)
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Gloating?
Are you insane? :conf:
Questions to the people that normally defend the Palestinians were asked because, for whatever reason, they seem to have more 'insight'.
Why wouldn't we want their input?
Are those questions a little too hard for them or we finding out that they've been blowing smoke up our ass all this time? (Which is what we're begining to suspect due to their recent lack of input on the subject).
If I'm wrong (and I hope I am) then lets here from them...you know who you are... ;) |
Not sure what you are getting at here?
And you need to be extremely careful when you brand about phrases like "people that normally defend the Palestinians" because I get the impression you are trying to portray certain people on this forum as supporting terrorism against Israel and I am not aware of anyone on here that does... |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Not sure what you are getting at here?
And you need to be extremely careful when you brand about phrases like "people that normally defend the Palestinians" because I get the impression you are trying to portray certain people on this forum as supporting terrorism against Israel and I am not aware of anyone on here that does... |
uh Purple does ;) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
uh Purple does ;) |
Purple doesn't count :D |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Grant Palestinian people their independence. Return to 1948 borders. These are main two that are not hard to give. |
I agree that this should be done, but this won't solve all of Palestinian problems, until Israel is guaranteed that militant factions won't have control over Palestinian govt. (You can do more things if you're a sovereign nation, even if you aren't liked by anyone)
| quote: | | On secondary note, on an unrealistical approach in addition to the previous two I stated - Israel should pay reparations for the lands seized and property/goods taken when Palestinian people were forcefully removed, and apologize for the removal of the Palestinians from their lands / other evil things its done between 1947-1967. |
You're quite right that this isn't realistic. Imagine the international precedent it would set, not to mention the convoluted process that would be required to access reparation and to whom it should go to.
I don't think Israel would get reparation from Syria and Egypt for 6 days war either.
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And then Israel should not give in to the radicals. So what that sometimes Hamas attacks - sadly, it should turn the other cheek and not retaliate. Jews are very smart, they should have figured it out by now that retaliating only helps the radicals and achieves little if anything for Israel. Plus it doesnt make Israel look better because it merely evens the score - actually, worse - it sometimes annihilates Palestinians making their actions look so like the Gestapo tactics. Instead Israel should use its "connections" all over the world media and show how Hamas and other violate their end of the bargain and embarass the Arab world if that was the case. I would totally jump on Israel's side, and so will the rest of the world. The hatred of Jews, mainly for Israel, will fall off because people will see the good side of Israel, and anti-semitism will decline. Retaliation only brings more hatred, remember. |
And how would Israeli govt respond to its own people demanding that something to be done attacks on Israel? Do you keep standing still when you're keep getting slapped?
Not responding in some way would bring fall to any govt when its people are being killed off. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Blind faith in a myth? Is that what you think they were voting for?
What is it with people on this forum and their blind, prejudiced and lazy assumptions everytime about cultures they simply do not understand? It's like talking to children!
They voted for Hamas not because they thought God would save them or God would build them a hospital. That is not what Political Islam is about. It is about the reforms you mentioned and policies for the social good. It would be useful for you to think about Political Islam in the same way you think about the American regime. They are deeply religious and base a hell of a lot of policy decisions on Christianity. Political Islam is the same - that applying the laws of Islam will help society better itself. It doesn't have to be as extreme as what the Taliban or al-Qaida want, and Hamas in no way shape or form is as extreme as those two (neither are the Islamists in Iraq apart from the al-Qaida one). Nobody would say George Bush is an extremist and follows the Christian version of al-Qaida's ideology (ok, so they would, but you know what I mean!) but it is religious none the less and he likes his wars as much as the next "extremist".
Don't fall into the trap that just because somebody is fighting a war and uses religion as a rallying cry or justification, that they all fall into the same category as al-Qaida. And certainly don't fall into the trap that everyone that lives in that region is an al-Qaida in waiting.
FYI, it is extremely well known that the Palestinians voted for Hamas because they were fed up with the corruption of Fatah. Not becuase they wanted to implement Sharia Law (which imo very very few of them would want) |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Not sure what you are getting at here?
And you need to be extremely careful when you brand about phrases like "people that normally defend the Palestinians" because I get the impression you are trying to portray certain people on this forum as supporting terrorism against Israel and I am not aware of anyone on here that does... |
Not so much as 'supporting terrorism' as much as just simply being appologists for anything that happens from the Palestinian region with Israel involved... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Not so much as 'supporting terrorism' as much as just simply being appologists for anything that happens from the Palestinian region with Israel involved... |
You need to open your eyes and distinguish between "apologist" and "explanation" (unless of course, you don't like the explanation and want to portray it in a certain light? hence all the "you hate Jews" I see every day on this forum - it's a poor attempt at an argument) |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
You need to open your eyes and distinguish between "apologist" and "explanation" (unless of course, you don't like the explanation and want to portray it in a certain light? hence all the "you hate Jews" I see every day on this forum - it's a poor attempt at an argument) |
I see where you're going, but I'm not there ;)
I think you're making it a little more complicated than what was intended... :p |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Israel has done a lot by building the WALL all around and severely limiting mobility of UN peace keep tanks or troops which could have been stationed otherwise. Israel has made Palestine a living zoo for people from outside, who watch caged people fighting with each other and killing. And Israel watches them doing it Gladiator movie style. First build the wall, let them fight and we will sit on king's throne and watch the drama. And if anyone from outside tries to intervene we have 'THE WALL' or 'the arena' and the power bestowed upon us by USA to take care of it. |
there is no "WALL" around Gaza, stupid.
there are checkpoints and barbed wire, even along Egypt, but there is no WALL.
please get f**ked. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Grant Palestinian people their independence. Return to 1948 borders. These are main two that are not hard to give. On secondary note, on an unrealistical approach in addition to the previous two I stated - Israel should pay reparations for the lands seized and property/goods taken when Palestinian people were forcefully removed, and apologize for the removal of the Palestinians from their lands / other evil things its done between 1947-1967.
And then Israel should not give in to the radicals. So what that sometimes Hamas attacks - sadly, it should turn the other cheek and not retaliate. Jews are very smart, they should have figured it out by now that retaliating only helps the radicals and achieves little if anything for Israel. Plus it doesnt make Israel look better because it merely evens the score - actually, worse - it sometimes annihilates Palestinians making their actions look so like the Gestapo tactics. Instead Israel should use its "connections" all over the world media and show how Hamas and other violate their end of the bargain and embarass the Arab world if that was the case. I would totally jump on Israel's side, and so will the rest of the world. The hatred of Jews, mainly for Israel, will fall off because people will see the good side of Israel, and anti-semitism will decline. Retaliation only brings more hatred, remember. |
I too have an unrealistic pathetic dream:
Why don't all Arab countries offer refuge and shelter to the poor, poor Palestinians? Israel lets them leave, no one is forcing them to stay.
Why do the Arab countries not encourage the poor innocent Palestinians to get out of that mess and to take up normal lifes in peace and quiet in a part of their societies?
Did not Europe and USA rescue Jews from the dredge of their internment camps? How many Sudanese/Moroccans are in France? How many Libyans in Italy? How many Vietnamese in the USA?
I think it is perhaps the greatest shame and deciet done in the Arab world to force their brethren to stay put in such an anarchic and chaotic situation.
If they offer a way out perhpas people will choose a life of normalcy over internal terrorism and external war?
And then with less people in one place maybe opinions will cool down and a realistic peace might actually exist in 20-30 years.
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But of course, such is an unrealistic dream ;) |
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| TranceGiant |
| Yoepus, you became soft with time. :( :p |
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| EvilTree |
Is anyone else concerned how Abbas dismissed the govt and formed a new one?
Hamas is full of heads, but they are still legitimately elected by the Palestinian people... |
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