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Kanye vs. Daft Punk (pg. 2)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Patski
First busta now kanye - ffs why can't rnb/rap artists come up with their own , leave the EDM kings alone. |
Because Daft Punk themselves have sampled the out of everyone- fair game. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Because Daft Punk themselves have sampled the out of everyone- fair game. |
"the fudge out of everyone" is a bit too general, daft has created impressive amounts of ridiculously good and original samples especially in homework, discovery was where the big part of the licenced samples took control yet what they made with the samples they used was pure gold and proof of creativity taking unoticed riffs of oldies and songs that had nothing to do with edm to a whole new level, NOW what busta and kanye did was to sample a well know vocal part of daft tracks and just stutter or flanger or whatever the hell the cheap trick was and add some stupid "poetry" on top....two different thing, srsly. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
"the fudge out of everyone" is a bit too general, daft has created impressive amounts of ridiculously good and original samples especially in homework, discovery was where the big part of the licenced samples took control yet what they made with the samples they used was pure gold and proof of creativity taking unoticed riffs of oldies and songs that had nothing to do with edm to a whole new level, NOW what busta and kanye did was to sample a well know vocal part of daft tracks and just stutter or flanger or whatever the hell the cheap trick was and add some stupid "poetry" on top....two different thing, srsly. |
No, not that different at all. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
"the fudge out of everyone" is a bit too general, daft has created impressive amounts of ridiculously good and original samples especially in homework |
Actually, a lot of of Homework uses samples as well. They simply didn't acknowledge so in the inlay.
| quote: | | discovery was where the big part of the licenced samples took control yet what they made with the samples they used was pure gold and proof of creativity taking unoticed riffs of oldies and songs that had nothing to do with edm to a whole new level, NOW what busta and kanye did was to sample a well know vocal part of daft tracks and just stutter or flanger or whatever the hell the cheap trick was and add some stupid "poetry" on top....two different thing, srsly. |
You know that writing something in a derogatory tone and writing something else in a positive tone does not automatically make the latter superior to the former.
You can phrase it how you want, but both artists used other people's music in their own. It's not as if Daft Punk have done something revolutionary when they've sampled- they've just found good hooks. A lot of hip-hop samples "oldies and songs that have nothing to do with [the genre]", and has been doing since long before Daft Punk made a record. Compared to DJ Shadow or The FSOL, Daft are hardly exceptional samplers. Like Kanye West, they make good pop music and they use samples to get there. |
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| RJT |
Really awful. 0/10.
In general Kanye West is really, really hit or miss (when it comes to production - his attempts at rhyming all fall under "miss") with me. The tunes he's produced that I love, I love absolutely - the ones I don't like, I tend to find utterly awful. |
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| SMC |
I've heard the snippet on Kanye's latest mixtape. It didn't blow my mind but it definitely sounds ok. It reminded me of a melody/progression in Robert Miles - Everyday Life (it took me a few hours to figure it out).
And people who attack sampling when they don't have anything better to come up with are idiots. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Actually, a lot of of Homework uses samples as well. They simply didn't acknowledge so in the inlay. |
I wasn't aware of this..
| quote: | You know that writing something in a derogatory tone and writing something else in a positive tone does not automatically make the latter superior to the former.
You can phrase it how you want, but both artists used other people's music in their own. It's not as if Daft Punk have done something revolutionary when they've sampled- they've just found good hooks. A lot of hip-hop samples "oldies and songs that have nothing to do with [the genre]", and has been doing since long before Daft Punk made a record. Compared to DJ Shadow or The FSOL, Daft are hardly exceptional samplers. Like Kanye West, they make good pop music and they use samples to get there. |
I dont get why you assume that I wrote the way I did to try to confuse anyone, its just the way I see it. In my eyes Daft HAS done something revolutionary when they sampled because it wasn't so popular during that time in dance music. well thats your opinion about dj shadow and the fsol being better samplers than daft, nothing I can do about it, now comparing what kanye and busta rhymes did to daft samples and what daft did to other artist´s samples is not even fair. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
I wasn't aware of this.. |
You wouldn't be unless you recognised the samples. Ishkur's Sample Database has the details.
| quote: | | I dont get why you assume that I wrote the way I did to try to confuse anyone, its just the way I see it. |
I'm not saying you're trying to confuse anyone. What I'm saying is that your argument doesn't actually have any weight to it- you've just used adjectives like "stupid" and "cheap" when describing the music you don't like. Your argument is purely subjective and thus you have nothing to take away from Kanye or Busta beyond not liking them.
| quote: | | In my eyes Daft HAS done something revolutionary when they sampled because it wasn't so popular during that time in dance music. |
Sampling wasn't so popular? What bull! Even if we take your example of sampling "golden oldies and songs that had nothing to do with EDM", Fatboy Slim had sold over five million albums using that trick before Discovery! Dance music has commonly used samples throughout its history, and dance records that sampled have been very popular since the 1980s.
| quote: | | well thats your opinion about dj shadow and the fsol being better samplers than daft |
In a way, yes, but I think there's a strong factual argument that Shadow and The FSOL are more creative and inventive in their sampling. DJ Shadow holds a Guiness World Record for composing an album entirely of samples, which is obviously an exceptional skill, especially given how well recieved Endtroducing was.
| quote: | | nothing I can do about it, now comparing what kanye and busta rhymes did to daft samples and what daft did to other artist´s samples is not even fair. |
Why not? Because you think one is crap and the other isn't? What is your argument? Hiding behind the "opinion" card isn't going to get us very far- if you got into this debate just to wail about your opinions, knows why you bothered. |
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| ClearVision |
| overall im not a huge fan of kanye these days... last i heard from him was when he showed up next to Armin van Buuren at some club in New York... so at least he likes dance music and has an open mind... haven't heard this song and dont plan on bothering to listen, I'm sure its crap. But props to Kanye for trying something different. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You wouldn't be unless you recognised the samples. Ishkur's Sample Database has the details. |
exactly.
| quote: | | I'm not saying you're trying to confuse anyone. What I'm saying is that your argument doesn't actually have any weight to it- you've just used adjectives like "stupid" and "cheap" when describing the music you don't like. Your argument is purely subjective and thus you have nothing to take away from Kanye or Busta beyond not liking them. |
Am I not allowed to share my opinion? This all started by you stating your opinion that daft has samples everyone LIKE kanye and busta, when I disagreed stating that they sampled with skill and kanye and busta used cheap tricks. My opinion, may not matter to you but i enjoy put it out there. Thats what ta is for, for people to post their opinions about a topic, if you can't respect that why are we even bothering to debate.
| quote: | | Sampling wasn't so popular? What bull! Even if we take your example of sampling "golden oldies and songs that had nothing to do with EDM", Fatboy Slim had sold over five million albums using that trick before Discovery! Dance music has commonly used samples throughout its history, and dance records that sampled have been very popular since the 1980s. |
I would like you t prove me wrong with this one. Sampleing examples like of fatboy and daft, in fact thats one reason why I believe they are so big, they sample with precision and skill. not kanye style. I know sampleing was big, what I was trying to get across was how well daft did it in their time, and good quality sampled tracks were scarse.
| quote: | | In a way, yes, but I think there's a strong factual argument that Shadow and The FSOL are more creative and inventive in their sampling. DJ Shadow holds a Guiness World Record for composing an album entirely of samples, which is obviously an exceptional skill, especially given how well recieved Endtroducing was. |
all in short, your opinion. Im not saing dj shadow wasn't or isn't a master at sampling, hell, even daft mentions him in teir song teachers if Im not mistaken, what I don't understand is why daft samples are not considered to be as good as shadow's and as bad as kanye's or busta's. I bet Daft could get a guiness for sampling too if they wanted, not a big deal really in my opinion.
| quote: | | Why not? Because you think one is crap and the other isn't? What is your argument? Hiding behind the "opinion" card isn't going to get us very far- if you got into this debate just to wail about your opinions, knows why you bothered. |
Again, facts are irrelevant in this discussion. I was just defending my opinion, in fact you are too. Dabating is about point of views, mine is "daft are exceptional samplers when kanye and busta arent". simple. read up also, I just responded to your statement, wasn't really a debate untill you quoted my post by parts. If you can't respect my opinion than I also don't know why we bothered. Music is irrelevant, you may like something I don't and I may like something you don't, posting 10 facts about a dj shadow album is not gona change anything. |
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| meDina |
| never been a kanye fan.. infact there is an anti kanye west fire burning inside me at the moment... this track is just more fuel for that fire :eyespop: |
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