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North American women and social environment
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| star-traveller |
Is all below true? I came here to work some time ago, but after my tourist interest vanished i found Vancouver rather suffocating place. Just some external beauty and emptiness inside.
Interesting to hear from people who lived here and somewhere abroad (who get the point)
Major advantages of European/Russian women over American women
As someone who has approached and met many women in Russia/Europe and America, I can guarantee 1000 percent that the following six major advantages outlined here are absolutely true and testable. My website at www.happieraroad.com contains a hundred times more than enough proof of this. Please note that though I acknowledge that while certain qualities vary universally among individuals (e.g. personality, character, behavior, morality, taste), there are nevertheless big differences that do exist between countries/regions which are apparent to even the most casual observer. (If at any time while reading this, you wish to accuse me of stereotyping or generalizing, or you wish to protest that you know exceptions to what I describe, please click here)
1. Approachability/Sociability – In general, women in Russia and Europe are a million times more approachable, inclusive, modest, and easy to meet, date, and bring into your social/dating circle than women in America. This I can guarantee a thousand percent a thousand times over. In fact, the difference in approachability is greater than the average American who’s never left their country can imagine. Even if you approach a female movie star, model, or married woman in Russia, she never gets offended or defensive at your initiation like American women do, so you never feel like you are a creep or for the attempt, for in such countries men are allowed to “act on their desires” much more freely than in the states. Usually, they blush or giggle when approached or flirted with.
In contrast, trying to meet and approach young women in the US often feels awkward and rude, as if you are violating some type of boundary. They prefer not to acknowledge your existence if you’re not in their clique. They have strong hang ups against strangers (even if they find them attractive) and behave overly proper and distant in their communication with them. They generally don’t talk to strangers unless it’s business related, for they are religious about keeping social interactions strictly within their clique. They are among the most cliquish, closed, and anti-stranger women in the world, and emanate an “unapproachable force field” around them. Not to say that there are no friendly women in America, but there is definitely something peculiar that makes them and Americans in general unnaturally closed and paranoid. So the main problem is that they won’t meet you if they don’t know you, but yet you can’t get to know them cause they won’t meet you, thus creating a CLOSED LOOP against someone who wants to meet them. And that just plain sucks, to put it simply.
In fact, it’s widely agreed among well-traveled playboys that the US has among the most unapproachable and anti-social women in the world. Even in other Westernized countries like Canada, England, France or Italy, where young women are also known to be snobby, at least they are still far more approachable and social than in the US (and much more cultured as well). The material on my site proves without a doubt a hundred times over that young women in the US are among the most unapproachable in the world. Even their closest counterparts in Britain aren’t nearly as unapproachable, but have better conversation skills, and are generally friendlier.
In America, women have all the power and upperhand, and they know it. Around American women, men MUST act girly and emasculate, otherwise they are seen as creeps, pigs, or transgressors. And they will be viewed likewise if they don't always let women continue to have the power and upperhand as well. That's one reason why they're unapproachable, for to them, being approached or “hit on” is a threat to their power and upperhand. And for me, that puts me between “a rock and a hard place”, because if I approach American girls I want and “go for it” then I am a creep or , but if I don’t, then they never approach me either, so either way I lose.
2. Weight – I hate to say something so politically incorrect and offensive, but the following is absolutely true. In Russia and Europe, between 95 and 100 percent of the young women are skinny or height/weight proportionate. In contrast, in the USA between 40 and 60 percent of the women are overweight, varying among region. This is absolutely indisputable, apparent, objectively measurable, and not subject to relative opinion or standards at all, as it has to do with obvious physical differences apparent to the naked eye that even the biggest idiot in the world who goes to both regions could identify immediately without effort.
What sucks about America, despite its many ideal qualities, is that the only truly friendly open women are the large ones, while the non-overweight ones are generally stuck-up and unapproachable (though in many areas, such as LA, even ugly girls are rude and uppity). On the other hand, most of the slim young women in Russia/Europe are very approachable and easy to meet or get acquainted with.
3. Dress style – The dress style of European and Russian women is much more stylish, attractive, classy, and feminine than in America, where women dress much more plainly in comparison (since after all, even average plain women in the US have their pick of the bunch, thus they have no need to look top-notch). Russian/European women are much better at maximizing their appearance with clothes/cosmetics and unlike American women, they love wearing skirts and high heels, which are much more attractive to men. As in the weight element above, this difference too is so apparent everywhere you go in these regions that even the biggest idiot in the world couldn’t help but notice it. In fact, I and other Americans I’ve met would say that in Russia, about 80 percent of girls are considered “hot” by American standards, while in the USA, that proportion is, well, much lower so that any decent looking girl there is treated like a goddess and put on a pedestal. What is considered “hot” by American standards is average in Russia. If you don’t believe it, come spend time in the crowded cities of Moscow and St. Petersburg, and you’ll see exactly what we mean.
4. Intellectual/Inner life – Compared to the US, women in Russia/Europe have a much richer and refined intellectual inner life, are much higher educated, have a broader knowledge of the world, and speak many more languages (most of them speak between 2 and 5 languages while most American women speak only their own). Unlike # 2 and 3 though, this one requires interaction with the women in these regions to notice. In contrast, not only do most young women in the US not value having an intellectual life, but they lack curiosity as well, and can’t even hold an intelligent conversation. Often trying to hold even a normal conversation with them is like talking to a dead wall. While a higher percentage of older women in the US can hold somewhat of an intelligent conversation, the typical young American female lacks depth and can’t say much beyond “yeah”, “really”, and “cool”, which is sad but true. This makes it difficult to connect with them or find common ground with them, as there is not much substance to them to work with. In fact, I’d say the tremendous difference between the ability of young women to hold a conversation in the US vs abroad is almost as apparent as the weight difference.
5. Variety of interests – Based on # 4, it’s no surprise that Russian/European women also generally have much more variety in their interests and passions, which makes them much more interesting people as well. They have a love for exploring new things, expressing and expanding themselves, and maximizing their experiences and passions in life. Again, the slightest interaction with them reveals this obvious difference compared to their US counterparts. European and Russian women who visit America often report that one of their first impressions is that the women there have no real interests (compared to them at least; by their standards).
6. Femininity – Last but not least, the mentality and culture of “feminism” that has taken over America has made it the most unfeminine place in the world. What American feminists (men as well as women) don’t realize is that most of the rest of the world, both male and female, does NOT envy their feminism, but in fact despise it, finding it unnatural, distasteful, and UNfeminine (ironically). American feminism is rife with hypocrisy, double-standards, and dysfunctionality; yet it pervades all our modern culture, media, talk shows, sitcoms, etc., portraying women as either perpetual victims who can do no wrong, or as creatures with superior rights to men. (There are great websites that get into this in great detail, as it’s beyond the scope of this summary) What this has done to the personality and behavior of women here is monstrous. Besides dress style (e.g. very few wear skirts and high heels now), their voices become coarse and rough, their mannerisms masculine, and their characters spoiled and selfish. Unlike women in the rest of the world, they aren’t soft, tender, sweet, don’t giggle when you say nice compliments, and don’t like wearing skirts and heels. Women in the rest of the world, on the other hand, are proud of their femininity, and show it in many ways, in dress style, behavior, and attitude.
Conclusion: The above six factors outlined should make the sharp contrast and overall differences clear between Russian/European women and American women. While I do not wish to focus on appearance or dress style (the world is shallow enough as it is), my primary complaints and beef against American women are that they are 1) unapproachable, anti-social, and cliquish toward strangers, and 2) lack depth, substance, and culture, making it difficult to connect with them, find common ground or chemistry. If it weren’t for these, America would be a much better place. Though what I’ve said here may offend some, it’s the truth nevertheless. And if one isn’t allowed to say the truth here, we live in a screwed-up place.
Why I am incompatible with the American social environment
Here are the main reasons why America has a lame social scene that I’m incompatible with, some of which I’ve already elaborated on above:
1) I do not fit the cultural ideal of a male in this country at all, so most women here will never consider me as even a friend, even if we have a lot in common. I am simply viewed as an out-of-bounds non-factor.
2) American women in general are unapproachable and don't talk to strangers. They don’t meet people unless it’s through mutual friends. If I attempt to meet them or interact with them for other non-business related reasons, then they see me as a creep, , or psycho. Hence, I'm theoretically not allowed to act on my desires, express or pursue them. (Or, I am allowed to have desires, as long as I don’t act on them without permission from women, which they never give me anyway). But, as I have strong desires and passions for sex and romance with females, this is unacceptable to me and a form of constant inner torture.
3) I tend to prefer the company of women over men, finding them more interesting, challenging and stimulating. I don’t enjoy the company of men unless they are interesting in some way or very intelligent or intellectual. The average guy, who is macho, bragging, exaggerating, and arrogant, just plain bores me and has nothing to offer or contribute to me. Thus, I tend to have more female friends and acquaintances than male. But the problem with that in America is that overwhelmingly, only the men are social and easy to meet, while the women are generally the exact opposite. Instead, they are closed, paranoid, defensive, stuck up, and cliquish. In no other country have I ever seen such a difference in the sociability of the two genders. Thus, in the US I tend to be limited to male friends and acquaintances, which is not my preference as stated above. So to put it simply: I prefer the company of women over men, generally speaking, but in America generally only the men are sociable while the women are not.
4) In the US, people in general do not talk to strangers unless it's business-related or they need directions. If you’re lonely, there’s not much you can do about it. The only socially acceptable places to meet people in America are at parties, and sometimes at bars and clubs (which tend to be predisposed to cliquishness too). Therefore, only party animals and club hoppers get to meet people actively, which to me is unnaturally restrictive and suffocating. Since I’m not one of them, my social niche doesn’t work in America. It’s not that I dislike parties or that I am shy and introverted, far from it. I enjoy them, but I am just not a regular party-goer type, and besides, most party-goers in the US are not people I resonate with or enjoy being around.
5) There are two general types of people in America that most, though not all, fit into – the productive conformist types whose lives revolve around work/career and their home routine, and those considered fun, cool, outgoing types whose lives revolve around parties, clubs, bands and concerts. I don't click or resonate with either type.
In most other countries and continents though, the above factors do not pose an obstacle to me. Russia, most of Europe, South America, some of Asia, Africa, even Australia are areas that come to mind. Social scenes are much more open, warm, inviting, flow smoothly, naturally, and less uptight and inhibited. And women are approachable and do not view me as low social status.
Simply put, I’m not materialistic, I’m not a workaholic, and the girls aren’t approachable to me, so what does America have to offer me exactly? Not much, I’m afraid. |
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| star-traveller |
I'm planning to move myself the US. I like it for a work enviroment, but I'm really scared that about the life quality standards.
I stuck in the middle of a choice either stay in Europe or go to the US. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Not totally unheard of there star-traveller.
I didn't get a chance to read it all, but when I was growing up in B.C. (Revelstoke -> http://www.revelstokecc.bc.ca/vacation/) we have a large Italian community and it was pretty common for the guys to go back to Italy to find a wife because Canadian women are much too liberal/westernized/uptight for them... |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Not totally unheard of there star-traveller.
I didn't get a chance to read it all, but when I was growing up in B.C. (Revelstoke -> http://www.revelstokecc.bc.ca/vacation/) we have a large Italian community and it was pretty common for the guys to go back to Italy to find a wife because Canadian women are much too liberal/westernized/uptight for them... |
hmmmmmmm ;) |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
hmmmmmmm ;) |
ok now that I thought about it, why the hell would I want a woman that is not independent? Smart? Humor? Good looking? I mean what kind of woman would want to be thought of as a "second Class Citizen"? oh I see, you just want a cooking, get your beer, don't ask me about work, shut up bitch and get me my chicken pie pie!!"
| quote: | | In America, women have all the power and upperhand, and they know it. Around American women, men MUST act girly and emasculate, otherwise they are seen as creeps, pigs, or transgressors. |
Maybe because we are.... I mean even now to this day as I go out and about, you just come up to a woman and try to lay your broke ass game for her to see... and what??when did it become girrly to have manners?? Open the door once in awhile... i mean for focks sakes.
seesh I mean I got game, and I lay it down flat and proper if ya know what I'm preaching give me a Hell Ya... ha ha
Just remember folks:
Game recognizes Game and you're ALL looking kind of unfamiliar!
ha ha :stongue: :crazy: |
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| Sunsnail |
| A lot of women do not have any interests or hobbies, other than to find a husband and have kids. :wtf: |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
A lot of women do not have any interests or hobbies, other than to find a husband and have kids. :wtf: |
Define an interest?
Sometimes having a family is an interest and focus for some people and it's generally at least a 'socially respectable' activity rather than the alternative of catting around. Which I might add is a heavily enforced double standard where it is permissible in a social sense for men to do so, but diametric for women. That, is the norm in just about every culture.
Besides, are my interests that much lesser in people's opinions because men don't find them interesting themselves? I don't pretend that you should be interested in them if they're irrelevant but don't demean them to a trivial status.
Back to the original post... which by the way I've yet to see such an overly verbose measure of broad generalisation, bigotry, ignorance, misogyny and thinly veiled racism in a long time. But essentially if you're alienated by a society, chances are it's not the society doing it, it's you.
Yeah, the US is front row seats to the freakshow of the worlds lunatics but don't pretend for an instant that the russians of all people are any better or worse.
I mean with 300million asylum inmates that make up the US, on average they beat to death 1200 women a year in the US with domestic violence incidents, a large figure, until you compare it to their 145million or so vodka swilling partners who one up them in this figure by managing to beat to death 14,000 women a year.
In my opinion, while the US girls might be all the things you describe, the Russians might do well to stand up for themselves with a healthy dose of feminism and arms length when choosing a russian man for their partner. Oh and some strings pulled by their politicians to make all things like this something less of an embarrassing failure. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
A lot of women do not have any interests or hobbies, other than to find a husband and have kids. :wtf: |
and there is nothing wrong with that, i just found that whole line of | quote: | | Around American women, men MUST act girly and emasculate, otherwise they are seen as creeps, pigs, or transgressors. |
what the hell is that supposed to mean? |
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| Sunsnail |
| Who knows, I just find it very alien |
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| ali92 |
I think is all the guy means is that in the US, you need to be in some kind of clique to have a chance at meeting women. You can't just walk up to random people and strike up a casual conversation or make friends, etc here without looking like a doofus or at least someone unusual. You almost always need to be in some sort of group, organisation, or event in order to try chat up anyone.
I'm surprised to see this here, as Winston WU has posted in other non-music forums and I've been reading his site for a while. I'm on his mailing list and he's been in the Philippines lately enjoying it big-time. Read his other material and you'll see that he's not just generalising.
See ya... |
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| star-traveller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Back to the original post... which by the way I've yet to see such an overly verbose measure of broad generalisation, bigotry, ignorance, misogyny and thinly veiled racism in a long time. But essentially if you're alienated by a society, chances are it's not the society doing it, it's you.
Yeah, the US is front row seats to the freakshow of the worlds lunatics but don't pretend for an instant that the russians of all people are any better or worse.
I mean with 300million asylum inmates that make up the US, on average they beat to death 1200 women a year in the US with domestic violence incidents, a large figure, until you compare it to their 145million or so vodka swilling partners who one up them in this figure by managing to beat to death 14,000 women a year.
In my opinion, while the US girls might be all the things you describe, the Russians might do well to stand up for themselves with a healthy dose of feminism and arms length when choosing a russian man for their partner. Oh and some strings pulled by their politicians to make all things like this something less of an embarrassing failure. |
YOU DONT HAVE A FANCY IDEA WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. READ MY POST AGAIN. Don't bring up all that feminst bull. I know that women in Russian are beaten widely, but it's not a topic of this thread.
All I'm trying to say, is that women in the US/Canada/UK/Australia have so stuck up attitude. The women are hostile, arrogamt, jaded, blase, bitter, frigid, superficial, super-picky, materialistic, condescending, pompous, high maintenance, self-absorbed, they have outrageously excessive dating requirements and they grossly overestimate their own attractiveness. I've heard this complaint countless times from so many people. Not only guys who live here but guys from other cities, Europe and even women too from other places.
They don't have a fancy idea about style and how to dress them properly. I mean here in Amsterdam if I see a girl who wears shorts, my gosh, she is 100% came from those countries. Just compare them with girls from Italy, France, Spain, South America!
Is that all true? Is the North American society killing a woman? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by star-traveller
YOU DONT HAVE A FANCY IDEA WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. READ MY POST AGAIN. Don't bring up all that feminst bull. I know that women in Russian are beaten widely, but it's not a topic of this thread.
All I'm trying to say, is that women in the US/Canada/UK/Australia have so stuck up attitude. The women are hostile, arrogamt, jaded, blase, bitter, frigid, superficial, super-picky, materialistic, condescending, pompous, high maintenance, self-absorbed, they have outrageously excessive dating requirements and they grossly overestimate their own attractiveness. I've heard this complaint countless times from so many people. Not only guys who live here but guys from other cities, Europe and even women too from other places.
They don't have a fancy idea about style and how to dress them properly. I mean here in Amsterdam if I see a girl who wears shorts, my gosh, she is 100% came from those countries. Just compare them with girls from Italy, France, Spain, South America!
Is that all true? Is the North American society killing a woman? |
I wouldn't paint with a brush that broad. (ok ignore the REAL bad pun)
If you are, then you obviously need some help in the 'dealing with women' department. ;) |
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