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Preset's or your own? (pg. 4)
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| Floorfiller |
| i don't really agree with presets. i say let people do what they will, but i think part of the beauty of this kind of music is the actual synthesis process. electronic music started out as an exploration of the technology and there is a wonderful tradition of it. I've always been equally interested in both composition and sound design. i'd rather have a couple of peices of equipment that i can do amazing things with then thousands of programs that are very limited. i also think that you really don't stunt your creativity with taking the time to build your own sounds because you're also growing your understanding. the more you learn and understand the synthesis process the easier it is to improvise and create freely. i thin the use of presets is just an extension of people's hurry to make a product. have some pride in your music and make it your own. just personal preference. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by ASFSE
what the kind of comparison is that?
a synth is an instrument of its own, the best part about it....is you can get a load of different sounds out of it...a guitar or a trombone...you buy those things cause you want to sound like they are supposed to sound.
and in regards to the original question, presets, damn, making your own patches is hella ez...and hella more convenient...plus...you have more control over wtf is coming out of ur speakers...i duno why you nigs is trippin so hard about '3 days to make a sound' WTF are you retarded? making a patch takes like 2 seconds.....................:conf: :conf: :conf: :conf: :conf: :conf: :conf: :conf: :conf: |
+1 lol how the can u spend 3 days on a single patch rofl.
personally i cant find presets i like, i HAVE to make patches to get the sound i want, with bass espeically. |
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| beats and beeps |
oh well sorry
i cant be responsible for other peoples lazy approach to making sounds. I just know my experience with fm synthesis sure leaves me impressed with its complexity and creative possibilies. Theres a lot of steps involved...thats the fun part.
I don't understand if people dont like to do that sort of thing...why they make music? I guess they find arranging more fun or something? Or they like having a finished product? |
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| DJMaytag |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
real producers use presets and loops. people who dick around on moral crusades are not real producers, because usually they never finsh anything (decent).
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Try telling this to people like Kraftwerk, Jean Michel-Jarre, Tangerine Dream, etc that were using synthesizers BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN ABLE TO STORE PRESETS!
Up until the 80's, a majority of the synths out there had ONE sound, and that was the sound you got based on however the knobs and switches were set to (or to go even deeper, how the CORDS were patched together in a modular synth).
Even some of the earliest synths that were programmable had VERY limited preset storage, as little as EIGHT presets! |
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| kitphillips |
ROFLMAO, HAX0r N00BS I'm gonna go back to my MAZMSP and program some RE^L SOunDZ.
Whoah sorry, all the nerd in this forum made me lose myself for a second there!
People who like to make music from one standpoint like presets (or samples), people who like to make it from another point build from scratch. BT is a good example of someone who makes music by building his own presets, his music is almost engineered rather than played, but its still great. Chicane uses very simple synths and a lot of samples, using mostly audio and then mangling it creatively. I prefer the samples and presets method, but if you like the engineering method, then that's also cool, BT has proven that. The most important thing is to find a balance between sound and music that works for YOU.
And just quietly, sometimes I like to nerd out too and play with reaktor and go deep into synths, I hope one day I'll actually be good at it.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJMaytag
Try telling this to people like Kraftwerk, Jean Michel-Jarre, Tangerine Dream, etc that were using synthesizers BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN ABLE TO STORE PRESETS!
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just to point out, those synths didn't need presets because most of them (not the modular mind you, but mini moogs etc) had only very basic parameters, like three oscillators. Even I can program moog type synths! But have a look at something like the DX7 or Absynth, you need memories, and your best off starting with the factory presets. By the time you learn a VST these days its already obsoloete. |
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| Akazi |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
ROFLMAO, HAX0r N00BS I'm gonna go back to my MAZMSP and program some RE^L SOunDZ.
Whoah sorry, all the nerd in this forum made me lose myself for a second there!
People who like to make music from one standpoint like presets (or samples), people who like to make it from another point build from scratch. BT is a good example of someone who makes music by building his own presets, his music is almost engineered rather than played, but its still great. Chicane uses very simple synths and a lot of samples, using mostly audio and then mangling it creatively. I prefer the samples and presets method, but if you like the engineering method, then that's also cool, BT has proven that. The most important thing is to find a balance between sound and music that works for YOU.
And just quietly, sometimes I like to nerd out too and play with reaktor and go deep into synths, I hope one day I'll actually be good at it.
just to point out, those synths didn't need presets because most of them (not the modular mind you, but mini moogs etc) had only very basic parameters, like three oscillators. Even I can program moog type synths! But have a look at something like the DX7 or Absynth, you need memories, and your best off starting with the factory presets. By the time you learn a VST these days its already obsoloete. |
heres a huge picture of the minimoog, you can make alot of great sounds with it, plus it has a super filter and envelepos.
i wouldnt say that programming dx 7 or absynth is hard, you just have to understand how it works spend some time with it and after that everything will click and from there on its a piece of cake. I find that if i have particular sound in my head fm8 is the synth in which i can create it exactly as i want it. its very precise.
and i dont really agree on that a vst becomes absolete by the time you learn it. i think there are alot of sounds which still can be made and haven been made with analog synths. |
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| kitphillips |
I never said that you couldn't make good sounds on a minimoog, I said that it was easy, hence the reason why you don't need presets.
You say that absynth is easy but takes a while, thats what I said, thats why you need presets. You mention FM8, its a different thing to a DX7, have you ever programmed a DX7? I use FM8 but I wouldnt touch a DX7, completely different animals.
I don't understand your last sentence, what does an analogue synth have to do with VSTs being obsolete by the time you learn them? |
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| Akazi |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I never said that you couldn't make good sounds on a minimoog, I said that it was easy, hence the reason why you don't need presets.
You say that absynth is easy but takes a while, thats what I said, thats why you need presets. You mention FM8, its a different thing to a DX7, have you ever programmed a DX7? I use FM8 but I wouldnt touch a DX7, completely different animals.
I don't understand your last sentence, what does an analogue synth have to do with VSTs being obsolete by the time you learn them? |
:stongue: i was talking out of my ass, i missinterpreted your post.
i never programmed dx7, and the with the last sentance i forgot the word Even before the analog synth... :) |
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| ASFSE |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
By the time you learn a VST these days its already obsoloete. |
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| Rusty O'Hara |
| quote: | Originally posted by Akazi
heres a huge picture of the minimoog, you can make alot of great sounds with it, plus it has a super filter and envelepos. |
Is the lovely couch, coffee table and carpet standard? Or is that an optional extra? |
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| Akazi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rusty O'Hara
Is the lovely couch, coffee table and carpet standard? Or is that an optional extra? |
it was limited too 100 pieces, you might be able to find this bundle on ebay:stongue: |
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| mysticalninja |
| all the vsts are the same rofl.. its either a subtractive vst or fm vst... THEYRE ALL THE SAME. |
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