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Help Stop Deep Integration (SPP, NAU) in Canada (pg. 8)
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Why does the NDP always throw up knee-jerked road blocks?
They certainly know how to tug at people's patriotism when it comes to 'protecting Canada' from the evils of the world.
North America is going to enhance its own trading block to be able to compete better in larger global markets when it comes to facing the EU / India and Chinas of the world.
Increasing trade (especially our immediate neighbors) is not a bad thing.
What exactly do they hope to accomplish other than creating oversite committees against committees already in place, confusing the public and more importantly, seizing the opportunity for themselves to look like the people's knight in shining armour?
How exactly is this a, "Profound consequences on Canada’s existence as a sovereign nation" when we ALREADY have trade agreements such as NAFTA in place??
This is nothing more than the NDP drumming up the public's fear....again... |
I'm sorry Jeff, but I'm seriously convinced that you're just another mouthpiece for either the government or the corporate world.
THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY BOTH OF OUR COUNTRY'S (mine and yours) SOVEREIGNTY!!!
What was the point of my country ever fighting a revolution, anyway?
This Conservative Roundtable interview of Jerome Corsi by Howard Phillips reveals how behind closed doors, the Bush administration has collaborated with the governments of Mexico and Canada to merge the three nations into one Socialist mega-state: the "North American Union", also known as the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). Freedom and our Constitution will have no place in this grim Orwellian future. The Dollar will be scrapped for the "Amero". There will be no First Amendment and no limit on the power of government. One of the prime architects of the NAU, Robert Pastor, has discussed the use of another 9/11 crisis to force through the merger--in other words, you and even Congress won't even have a voice in the Bush-led surrender of our country--unless we all act NOW to have Congress outlaw any Presidential actions which would lead to such a merger of our nations in any way. Canadian citizens would lose their independence to their southern neighbors under the NAU. America's former borders would be wide open to drug smuggling and terrorists. Mexico would become empty as all citizens by right could move to the U.S. or Canada. Leaders in both major U.S. parties are determined to wipe out your freedom, unless you act now. Howard Phillips is the Chairman of The Conservative Caucus, America's Constitutional Government action organization. Your assistance is invited.
703-938-9626
www.conservativeusa.org |
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| Trancer-X |
Jerome R. Corsi is an American author and conservative activist, who at one time was considered a candidate for the Constitution Party's 2008 Presidential nomination.
Corsi received national media exposure as credited co-author (with John O'Neill), of Unfit for Command, a book that topped the New York Times bestseller list. The book, written in cooperation with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, criticized the conduct of John Kerry -- at the time the Democratic candidate for president -- as a naval officer during the Vietnam War and challenged the legitimacy of each of his combat medals. The book also criticized Kerry's later efforts organizing opposition to that war.
Biography
Corsi received a Ph.D. in Political Science from Harvard University in 1972, and has since published several works on political protest and terrorism. His 1972 dissertation was titled Prior Restraint, Prior Punishment, and Political Dissent; a Moral and Legal Evaluation. In 1972, he published an extensive study of the political protest around the 1972 Democratic and Republican National Conventions in Miami Beach, and the involvement of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (an organization that Kerry was involved with). That work was published at the Lemberg Center for the Study of Violence (Brandeis University, 1974). Corsi authored Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians (2005) and co-authored Black Gold Stranglehold (2005) with Craig R. Smith. In 2006, he also co-authored Showdown with Nuclear Iran: Radical Islam's Messianic Mission to Destroy Israel and Cripple the United States with Michael D. Evans.
Corsi has also co-authored Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America's Borders (with Minutemen founder Jim Gilchrist), published in August 2006. This book heavily criticizes President George W. Bush for deficiency in enforcing border protection laws and for furthering plans to create a North American Union.
In January 2005, Corsi told the Boston Herald that he planned to bid for Kerry's Senate seat in Massachusetts in 2008. He stated that he would run as a Republican or Independent. While on C-SPAN's Washington Journal on the morning of May 25, 2007, Corsi said his wife had "vetoed" this plan, and Corsi will not run in Massachusetts.
In May 2006, Corsi co-wrote the book Rebuilding America with Kenneth Blackwell, then Ohio secretary of state and a Republican candidate for Ohio governor. In the fall of 2006, Corsi used his column at the conservative news website WorldNetDaily (whose publishing division, WND Books, also published Rebuilding America, as well as Atomic Iran and Black Gold Stranglehold) to write numerous columns attacking Blackwell's Democratic opponent in the governor's race, Ted Strickland. Strickland easily won the election, receiving 60 percent of the vote to Blackwell's 37 percent.
In January 2007, Corsi announced he was joining the staff of TheVanguard.Org, the conservative website.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi
Howard Phillips (born February 6, 1941) has served as the Chairman of The Conservative Caucus, a conservative public policy advocacy group, since 1974.
A 1962 graduate of Harvard College (where he was twice elected president of the Student Council), Phillips is president of Policy Analysis, Inc., a public policy research organization which publishes the bimonthly Issues and Strategy Bulletin.
Jewish by birth, Phillips converted to evangelical Christianity in adulthood and has been associated with the Christian Reconstructionist movement.
Phillips and his wife, Peggy, reside in Fairfax County, Virginia.
Phillips' son, Doug Phillips, is president and founder of the Vision Forum, Inc., a publishing company based in San Antonio, Texas which publishes books, audio books and produces documentary films for the Christian family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Phillips |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
I'm sorry Jeff, but I'm seriously convinced that you're just another mouthpiece for either the government or the corporate world.
THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY BOTH OF OUR COUNTRY'S (mine and yours) SOVEREIGNTY!!!
What was the point of my country ever fighting a revolution, anyway?
This Conservative Roundtable interview of Jerome Corsi by Howard Phillips reveals how behind closed doors, the Bush administration has collaborated with the governments of Mexico and Canada to merge the three nations into one Socialist mega-state: the "North American Union", also known as the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). Freedom and our Constitution will have no place in this grim Orwellian future. The Dollar will be scrapped for the "Amero". There will be no First Amendment and no limit on the power of government. One of the prime architects of the NAU, Robert Pastor, has discussed the use of another 9/11 crisis to force through the merger--in other words, you and even Congress won't even have a voice in the Bush-led surrender of our country--unless we all act NOW to have Congress outlaw any Presidential actions which would lead to such a merger of our nations in any way. Canadian citizens would lose their independence to their southern neighbors under the NAU. America's former borders would be wide open to drug smuggling and terrorists. Mexico would become empty as all citizens by right could move to the U.S. or Canada. Leaders in both major U.S. parties are determined to wipe out your freedom, unless you act now. Howard Phillips is the Chairman of The Conservative Caucus, America's Constitutional Government action organization. Your assistance is invited.
703-938-9626
www.conservativeusa.org |
Oh my, aren't we a bit paranoid? I guess all those european countries lost all of their sovereignty when they switched to the euro and opened their borders. Jeez, poland and the czech republic must be empty after the massive immigration towards england and france. Let's kick the ballistic here, there is only one major example of 'deep integration', and it's europe. All signs point to them being VERY well off. The euro is strong. Countries didn't loose their independence. There has been a decrease in corruption and an increase in the quality of governmental structure and services in many countries that were underdeveloped. So please, explain, without resorting to obscure lucubrations why deep integration will not benefit north american countries. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Oh my, aren't we a bit paranoid? I guess all those european countries lost all of their sovereignty when they switched to the euro and opened their borders. Jeez, poland and the czech republic must be empty after the massive immigration towards england and france. Let's kick the ballistic here, there is only one major example of 'deep integration', and it's europe. All signs point to them being VERY well off. The euro is strong. Countries didn't loose their independence. There has been a decrease in corruption and an increase in the quality of governmental structure and services in many countries that were underdeveloped. So please, explain, without resorting to obscure lucubrations why deep integration will not benefit north american countries. |
I think Stan Jones said it well.
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| venomX |
Jesus christ Trancer-X, thats a bit too far isn't it. I guess you've convinced yourself of the whole powerful organizations controlling governments thing. If I were to believe that, then yes I it would be logical to suggest that what you have posted is true. Yet, I understanding the volatility of human allegiance and the irrationality with which we tend to conduct ourselves, having a conspiracy this massive, involving 6 billion people, I just can't fathom it. Now, apart from potential conspiracies, I do believe there is no sound economical, cultural or other reason, that is valid enough as to be worth stopping integration for. If there is please present it. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Jesus christ Trancer-X, thats a bit too far isn't it. I guess you've convinced yourself of the whole powerful organizations controlling governments thing. If I were to believe that, then yes I it would be logical to suggest that what you have posted is true. Yet, I understanding the volatility of human allegiance and the irrationality with which we tend to conduct ourselves, having a conspiracy this massive, involving 6 billion people, I just can't fathom it. Now, apart from potential conspiracies, I do believe there is no sound economical, cultural or other reason, that is valid enough as to be worth stopping integration for. If there is please present it. |
He hasn't explained why Europe hasn't transmorgified into a mass, amorphous societal blob yet so don't get your hopes up...:crazy: |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
He hasn't explained why Europe hasn't transmorgified into a mass, amorphous societal blob yet so don't get your hopes up...:crazy: |
To answer your question, that's because they're waiting to put the rest of the puzzle pieces together before they begin enacting the final stages of their plans. America, with our military bases spotting the entire globe, is the most major piece in their puzzle. Canada, Mexico and the EU are just auxiliary pieces. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Jesus christ Trancer-X, thats a bit too far isn't it. I guess you've convinced yourself of the whole powerful organizations controlling governments thing. If I were to believe that, then yes I it would be logical to suggest that what you have posted is true. Yet, I understanding the volatility of human allegiance and the irrationality with which we tend to conduct ourselves, having a conspiracy this massive, involving 6 billion people, I just can't fathom it. Now, apart from potential conspiracies, I do believe there is no sound economical, cultural or other reason, that is valid enough as to be worth stopping integration for. If there is please present it. |
Some of the most prominent men in the history of the modern world have throughout the years been using carefully chosen words to explain to the masses that the "powerful organizations controlling governments" is indisputable.
I'm sorry that you're not able to see it. If you need any examples just let me know and I'll reference them. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
To answer your question, that's because they're waiting to put the rest of the puzzle pieces together before they begin enacting the final stages of their plans. America, with our military bases spotting the entire globe, is the most major piece in their puzzle. Canada, Mexico and the EU are just auxiliary pieces. |
Thats quite the cop out. "I can't prove know how they are going to use this in a negative manner, they are going to wait until some uncertain time in the future, so until then, I can't prove anything" I'll ask you a question, comparing the framework of the EU and that that would be prevalent in the North American Union, do you really think it would be that easy to integrate both? You are really underestimating the massiveness of this potential project. North America + Europe is about what 600m people? A bit more? Enforcing any sort of control over that amount of people, considering most of the US forces which would be the backbone of this project are deployed all over the world, would be a bit hard don't you think? There isn't a big enough amassment of forces in this continent, or Europe to control that many people. You are also not considering the reaction of the troops. Brainwashed as they may be, rebellions are sure to spark, bringing unrest to the armed forces. Now this is only one of many problems. You would also have to consider the level of coordination that would be needed to cover the thousands of kilometers of land where you would have to deploy enforcement officers. Do they even posses such a robust communication network? |
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On a more realistic note, some real problems with the SPP regarding Canada's water resources.
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SPP linked to water exports
By Travis Lupick
Publish Date: August 16, 2007
A noisy demonstration outside the Westin Bayshore is the latest in a growing campaign of resistance to the proposed Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. Police kept protesters out of the Vancouver hotel on August 14, where international trade representatives from Canada, the U.S., and Mexico were holding talks. No arrests were made.
"While Mr. [David] Emerson and his partners from the United States and Mexico were meeting in this hotel, we demonstrated the hypocrisy of this agreement," Harjap Grewal of the human-rights group No One Is Illegal told the Georgia Straight.
Meanwhile, NDP MP Peter Julian has alleged that past SPP meetings have focused on the possibility of bulk-water sales and diversions of fresh water from Canada to the U.S. "Environmentally, they are not a good idea, and in terms of sustainability, they are not a good idea," Julian told the Straight in a phone interview while on vacation.
On August 20 and 21, the SPP will be holding a "North American Leaders' Summit" in Montebello, Quebec. Julian, MP for Burnaby–New Westminster, claimed that Canada's fresh water could again be on the table.
The NDP has obtained a "concept paper" prepared by a U.S. think-tank involved in the SPP. It emphasizes Canada's relative abundance of fresh water in North America and proposes rewriting transboundary water_-management agreements for the continent. The author, Armand B. Peschard-Sverdrup, is director of the Mexico Project for the Washington, D.C.-based Centre for Strategic & International Studies.
Opposition in Canada to the SPP
> From April 26 to May 10, 2007, the House of Commons standing committee on international trade held hearings to discuss the impact of the SPP on Canada's sovereignty. The NDP claims that "when testimony started to have a real impact among Canadians", Conservative representatives on the committee "shut down those hearings" when the committee chair walked out.
> A public forum on the SPP was scheduled to coincide with the North American Leaders' Summit on Monday (August 20). The event was to take place in Papineauville, Quebec, six kilometres from Montebello. It was cancelled when the Municipality of Papineauville informed the Council of Canadians that "the RCMP, the Sûreté du Québec and the U.S. Army will not allow the municipality to rent the Centre Communautaire de Papineauville for a public forum". The event has since been rescheduled to be held in Ottawa on Sunday (August 19).
> In Vancouver on Monday (August 20), No One Is Illegal will be leading marches from Canada Place beginning at 3 p.m., and from the Burrard SkyTrain station at 5 p.m. At 5:30 p.m., StopWar.ca in conjunction with the Council of Canadians, will be gathering at the Vancouver Art Gallery.
Sources: The office of NDP MP Peter Julian (Burnaby–New Westminster) and No One Is Illegal ( noii-van.resist.ca/ )
Julian said that the paper, entitled "North American Future 2025 Project", was distributed ahead of a SPP meeting in Calgary on April 27. "The three nations will have to overcome the bureaucratic challenges posed by their different political systems and legal regimes, particularly if the overriding future goal of North America is to achieve joint optimum utilization of the available water," the report states.
Julian said he believes the federal Conservatives and Liberals plan to go along with the SPP, which would allow "not just bulk-water exports, but a move to water diversions, which will have a profound and irreversible impact on Canada's environment".
Foreign-affairs ministry spokesperson Bernard Nguyen declined to respond to the Straight's questions concerning water exports.
SPP critics worry that Canada's sovereignty is at stake. Federal Green party leader Elizabeth May told the Straight that even one bulk-water sale to the U.S. would be read under the North American Free Trade Agreement as making all Canadian fresh water eligible for purchase and export.
"Any efforts to deny export-market requests would be seen as a violation of NAFTA, because it would be seen as straight discriminatory," May told the Straight from her Nova Scotia home. "We could never exert sovereignty over our water supply".
According to Carleen Pickard, a Vancouver spokesperson for the Council of Canadians, the SPP is a series of working groups comprised of government and corporate representatives from Canada, the U.S., and Mexico. It has the "authority to make recommendations to the government", she said.
Susan Howatt, national water campaigner for the Council of Canadians, explained from her office in Ottawa that under Chapter 11 of NAFTA, all provinces must "open up their floodgates" if one province or one town or one company enters water into commerce.
"The language that they are using is no longer 'Canada's water, America's water, Mexico's water'; it's 'North American water'," Howatt told the Straight.
Chris Wood, a Vancouver Island–based author with an upcoming book on potential water shortages, interpreted the implications of the SPP and NAFTA differently: "Trade agreements in general simply do not hold the sort of shotgun deal that is described." He said if one province did sell water, everything would not suddenly be "on the block".
Julian however, maintained Canadians could soon expect water to enter into the same power struggles that characterize energy and softwood-lumber negotiations. "Decisions around forestry policy aren't made in Victoria or Ottawa–they're made in Washington," he said. "We could be seeing the same type of thing for water policy if the SPP continues."
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Some of the most prominent men in the history of the modern world have throughout the years been using carefully chosen words to explain to the masses that the "powerful organizations controlling governments" is indisputable.
I'm sorry that you're not able to see it. If you need any examples just let me know and I'll reference them. |
Well go ahead and reference them. And while you are at it, since you claim that prominent men have been trying to show us this all along, find some examples of things that these powerful organizations have done. You know, some sort of proof that they have been actively trying to consolidate power. And please, find something that can not be explained by people wanting to make money or increase efficiency in some way. After all the simplest explanation tends to be the best one now doesn't it. |
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