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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Thats quite the cop out. "I can't prove know how they are going to use this in a negative manner, they are going to wait until some uncertain time in the future, so until then, I can't prove anything" I'll ask you a question, comparing the framework of the EU and that that would be prevalent in the North American Union, do you really think it would be that easy to integrate both? You are really underestimating the massiveness of this potential project. North America + Europe is about what 600m people? A bit more? Enforcing any sort of control over that amount of people, considering most of the US forces which would be the backbone of this project are deployed all over the world, would be a bit hard don't you think? There isn't a big enough amassment of forces in this continent, or Europe to control that many people. You are also not considering the reaction of the troops. Brainwashed as they may be, rebellions are sure to spark, bringing unrest to the armed forces. Now this is only one of many problems. You would also have to consider the level of coordination that would be needed to cover the thousands of kilometers of land where you would have to deploy enforcement officers. Do they even posses such a robust communication network? |
It's hardly a cop-out and I like how you quote me as saying someting which I never even said. What school of disinfo did you attend? Whichever one it was, it was cute but not all that bright.
And to act like it's impossible for them to achieve this is just foolish. Have you ever studied the propaganda methods that led to the rise of Nazi Germany? What they used then (and still use today) is called the "Big Lie" technique and it's pretty obvious that you're already willing to argue yourself blue in the face in order to avoid confronting it.
I hate to continue sourcing Wikipedia, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
| quote: | | Big Lie is a propaganda technique, defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously". |
You can even find Joseph Goebbels making reference to it here
To answer your question regarding the rebellions/riots/revolts, that's probably one of the main reasons why they had initially drafted Rex 84 and also why Kellogg, Brown and Root is busy building a network of detention centers across the USA thanks to the Homeland Security contingency plan entitled ENDGAME (which essentially replaces Rex-84.)
And regarding our military's inability to successfully police American citizens - they don't need to worry too much because we've already set the precedent for allowing NATO troops to do that through Operation Eagle Assist. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Well go ahead and reference them. And while you are at it, since you claim that prominent men have been trying to show us this all along, find some examples of things that these powerful organizations have done. You know, some sort of proof that they have been actively trying to consolidate power. And please, find something that can not be explained by people wanting to make money or increase efficiency in some way. After all the simplest explanation tends to be the best one now doesn't it. |
It's not a claim, it's true. If your argument had been based more on fact than it was on ignorance then you would have already known this.
The looming NAU is a shining example in itself but that's too easy. I'd be happy to find you more but you'll have to wait because I've already wasted enough time here today. |
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| venomX |
| All your points are good and valid, but the conclusion from all this information points more towards corruption and bad governance, not some worldwide conspiracy. Disinformation, detention centers, will surely provide the government with more power. No one here would argue that these are measures that should have been approved or implemented. That the American people are at fault for having been asleep and letting these things happen with impunity, is also something I agree with. But at the end of all this, corruption, thirst for power, egoism, money and ignorance explain these events better than some worldwide conspiracy. I've always find the information you post interesting and at moments have been absorbed into the possibility of some world wide conspiracy, but believing in this would have as a consequence the responsibility of taking action and sadly I am not one to take action on such flimsy evidence for the consequences of being wrong are worse than those of not taking action. |
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| colonelcrisp |
Monday was a prime example of why i hate protesters. 90% of them just show up to cause and smoke dope in front of cops. I live in Ottawa and have been living here for going on 7 years now. every month its the same . everytime something happens to shake this town out of its boring drudgery, 3000 morons march down on parliment hill, taunt and assault law enforcement, vandalize private and public property, break laws blatantly in front of cops and then bitch when they get beat down.
I remember a specific G8 meeting where a protestor punched a cop then got the kicked out of him by 3 other cops. the protestors made a media storm out of this. Here is the thing, we place a certain amount of faith and authority in police officers for upholding the peace and putting their lives on the line for the sake of public safety. If you are stupid enough to assault one of them. you deserve every last batton thwack you get.
in the case of mondays events. when you have a couple hundred protestors show up to the "peaceful protest" wearing balaclavas, gas masks, and goggles that indicates they are planning to cause . when they start rushing the gates, the cops have every right to do their job and disperse the crowd in any means nessesary. if it was me on that line, the bullets wouldnt have been made of rubber.
If you want to get your point accross, excersise your democratic right. protest, but protest peacefully, dont rouse up angry mobs of idiots because frankly it hurts your message more than it helps it. 3/4 of the people at taht protest didnt even know what the issues they were protesting were.
while i understand some issues with the SPP the only one that really concerns me is the bulk water exports and energy stabilization. canada has a much more efficient power grid than the US does. and i would like to see them remain as independant as possible....(remember that big black out a couple years ago......)
as for this whole bullcrap against corporate figure heads having private talks with the leaders..... come on wits.... they do this all year round. just beacause they do it at a private resort pisses you off? While the ethics of big business arent exactly ideal all the time, they still drive the economy..... johnny dope head's little head and hemp shop isnt going to keep Canadians, Americans or Mexicans employed and its not going to keep us competetive in the global economy.
I fully support immigration reform, but you cant just open the flood gates. thousands of people immigrate to Canada and the US each year LEGALLY. why should anyone be rewarded for jumping a fence instead of follwoing due process. that..... |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
in the case of mondays events. when you have a couple hundred protestors show up to the "peaceful protest" wearing balaclavas, gas masks, and goggles that indicates they are planning to cause . when they start rushing the gates, the cops have every right to do their job and disperse the crowd in any means nessesary. if it was me on that line, the bullets wouldnt have been made of rubber.
If you want to get your point accross, excersise your democratic right. protest, but protest peacefully, dont rouse up angry mobs of idiots because frankly it hurts your message more than it helps it. 3/4 of the people at taht protest didnt even know what the issues they were protesting were. |
I wonder if the other agent provacateurs who were there to incite the mob knew what they were supposed to be protesting :eek: |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
All your points are good and valid, but the conclusion from all this information points more towards corruption and bad governance, not some worldwide conspiracy. Disinformation, detention centers, will surely provide the government with more power. No one here would argue that these are measures that should have been approved or implemented. That the American people are at fault for having been asleep and letting these things happen with impunity, is also something I agree with. But at the end of all this, corruption, thirst for power, egoism, money and ignorance explain these events better than some worldwide conspiracy. I've always find the information you post interesting and at moments have been absorbed into the possibility of some world wide conspiracy, but believing in this would have as a consequence the responsibility of taking action and sadly I am not one to take action on such flimsy evidence for the consequences of being wrong are worse than those of not taking action. |
No, it is a worldwide conspiracy. They've been publically writing about their participation in it for years now so noone with any sort of real clue can say that it's not true.
| quote: | "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
- David Rockefeller in his book Memoirs, Random House, 2002, P. 405
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20030...er/memoirs.html |
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| Orko |
| Vincente Fox has confirmed that Bush and himself have talked about, and hoped for a common currency. He even said he would like to see a North American Union. He did it on the daily show and larry king. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
But its so cool to be anti-us :rolleyes:
and that is what fuels allot of this rhetoric |
Quite the contrary!!!
I can't believe that you people are so quick to let our national sovereignty be eroded while at the same time you're actually cheering for the very people who are the ones doing it.
I can't help but say it now but I think that you and the rest of your goons are nothing but a bunch of mindlessly driveling traitors.
Upholding the status quo by not speaking up while British and other European banking interests are buying our country out from underneath of us is akin to treason in my opinion. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Vincente Fox has confirmed that Bush and himself have talked about, and hoped for a common currency. He even said he would like to see a North American Union. He did it on the daily show and larry king. |
I've tried telling people this but they don't seem to want to listen to such conspiracies. :(
I guess I can't fully blame them though because their minds are no longer their own. |
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| Krypton |
| The constitution is very much in danger today. I hope we can all show our support in keeping this document as the supreme law of the land. I also think any president who violates their vow to protect the constitution should be impeached immediately. And if the people really want NAFTA, then they should do a referendum. But the neocons won't, because they know it will not pass, and so they will push their agenda in secret, and the media will continue under-report it. |
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