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Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims (pg. 7)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
im at work! no smoking.
yes, i knew there were other undesirables killed. you left out the homos ;) but, when im talking about "the holocaust" im talking about ALL those that died, not just jews.
no, perhaps most werent killed in camps but i dont see the relevance? thats why i used the "construction line" analogy, though i did forget to include the slave labour camps as well. that construction line killed at each step along the line.
i would never accuse you of being anti semetic mate ;) and im also not "favouring" any group of people over another. im certainly not saying other horrors have not also occured. which one is "worse" is rather irrelevant anyway, how many degrees of "ing " can there be?
i know you have a bee in your bonnet over how the holocaust has been politicised by israel and jews in the US, and i understand completely. but given the sheer numbers killed, the way in which they were killed and rounded up, how the state was used to murder an entire section of people etc, even if its not "worse" it certainly is special and specific in modern times. ie without parallel imo. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
im at work! no smoking. |
Considering how much time you spend here, looks like you can probably allow yourself the liberty to indulge in a nice little bowl or two at work. :D
SMOKE THAT !!! |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_M
this is where the problem lies. Is it history ? Or is it distortion of facts ? The muslims certainly think it's a gross distortion. We don't. So ofcourse they will be offended. how to deal with it is another issue. But is not as simple to get over with. A backlash from radical muslims can cost you your life. In that case, you would be willing to forgo a bit of "history" to buy peace. |
That's called, "Pacification" and they should really learn some history... |
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| cronodevir |
There were most likely drasticly way more non-jews killed in ww2 by the europeans than anything. Id prolly esitmate about 1 million if that, of those were jews. You can't tell someones religioun by looking at a big hole full of bones. And documents? Documents wirrten by jewish people, publizised by jewish people. And smeared all over the world media, by jewish people....THOSE documents? I refuse to believe every single jewish person on earth is so pious and 'holy' that they didn't decide to blowup the numbers a little to gain world sympathy, which is exactly what they got. World sympathy...World sympathy for a group of people [jews] who think they are more human, and better in every single way because of thier bloodline.
Before you get pissed at nazis for being racist, look around, look at who they supposedly mass murdered.
I bet no one here would give a if the Aryan Botherhood killed hundreds of thousands of the Black Panthers or the La Familia
As for the topic, i think holocaust shoudl be taught, because me, being a muslim, don't like that because nearly a 3rd of hitlers army was in africa and the middle east soly to kill the africans and arabs, who at the time [and still today] were muslim What happened to jews in germany was minor compared to what happened in africa and the middle east, in terms of numbers.
And futher more, i think all this jewish/zionist holocaust smearing they do in the media is just another way for the jews to undermine the arabs and the muslims. The same way the jews use phsyical force in the middle east, they also use political and media to destroy muslims/islam/arabs/gentiles with things like the holocaust stuff.
The hostility between muslims and jews has been going on for a LONG LONG time...and there is no reason to think it doesn't exist now. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
If there's another "holocaust" coming up, I'm pretty confident in saying that it won't be "Jews." Fact of the matter is, the holocaust is nothing more than a political tool. Sure it was an aweful attrocity, like countless others through out history. There's nothing special about the holocaust in that regard, yet it used to the fullest politically. That is actually quite repulsive and complete diservice to the memory of actual victims of it, justifying similar crimes in their name.
You're pretty ing dense if you think there's people out there who actually deny "the holocaust" happened. |
Here is why the holocaust is different.
People have killed people for millions of years, that is nothing new.
In the holocaust you have an ultra-modern scientific society with a nationalistic atheist ideology (Germany at the time) deciding for some god awful reason to extraplate and then exterminate a significant portion of an their own integrated society. In addition to this fact, as if it weren't enough all ready, a fact which is very troublesome and should be study in itself as a cause for caution against any intolerance, the process of the extermination of this part of an integrated society was so systematic, literally a whole industry rose up and existed just to exterminate a population. Factories and camps were built for the sole purpose of executing millions in the most efficient manner with the least amount of waste and redistribution of all byproducts.
It is very different then the raping and pillaging of history, and is very noteworthy because even if it is not the atrocity with perhaps the highest death toll, its brutality is surely the darkest moment so far for us as a human species. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Here is why the holocaust is different.
People have killed people for millions of years, that is nothing new.
In the holocaust you have an ultra-modern scientific society with a nationalistic atheist ideology (Germany at the time) deciding for some god awful reason to extraplate and then exterminate a significant portion of an their own integrated society. In addition to this fact, as if it weren't enough all ready, a fact which is very troublesome and should be study in itself as a cause for caution against any intolerance, the process of the extermination of this part of an integrated society was so systematic, literally a whole industry rose up and existed just to exterminate a population. Factories and camps were built for the sole purpose of executing millions in the most efficient manner with the least amount of waste and redistribution of all byproducts.
It is very different then the raping and pillaging of history, and is very noteworthy because even if it is not the atrocity with perhaps the highest death toll, its brutality is surely the darkest moment so far for us as a human species. |
It is dark only because of the people where were said to be mostly involved in the dieing. If it were the south ameircans for instance, it wouldn't be that big of a deal i bet, because, well, it has happened to the south ameircans. And that little bit of history is jsut tossed aside, not even taught in schools. Yet the holocaust has its OWN class. Where they talk about nothing but how jews died. And no one else. Of course the teachers are always jewish. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
It is dark only because of the people where were said to be mostly involved in the dieing. If it were the south ameircans for instance, it wouldn't be that big of a deal i bet, because, well, it has happened to the south ameircans. And that little bit of history is jsut tossed aside, not even taught in schools. Yet the holocaust has its OWN class. Where they talk about nothing but how jews died. And no one else. Of course the teachers are always jewish. |
No, the teachers aren't always jewish; please get your head our of your ass! :eyes:
The Jews were one of the most persecuted under Hitler; why try and deny it?
Now that doesn't take away from all the others that were prosecuted as well but for some reason you have a problem because it's Jews and you 'think' they wrote the history books?
Several other religions and countries, and the Jews single-handedly snowballed every single one of them huh?
Riiiiight...
Love the example of the South Americans; absolutely nothing to do with what's being discussed.... |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Shh... you'll upset all the zionist crybabies here. |
you're gonna converse in jest with that idiot after a post like that? he can barely spell the alphabet. shame on you shaolin ;)
i love it how cronodevir provides us with his " prolly esitmate about" the holcaust. this is of course, after researching the truly mammoth task of counting how many particular "minorities" died in a holocaust in the middle of a war.
id love to read your study. i find your prose is kinda like reading the eyesight chart you get in the doctor's office. keeps me sharp, thanks. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you're gonna converse in jest with that idiot after a post like that? he can barely spell the alphabet. shame on you shaolin ;)
i love it how cronodevir provides us with his " prolly esitmate about" the holcaust. this is of course, after researching the truly mammoth task of counting how many particular "minorities" died in a holocaust in the middle of a war.
id love to read your study. i find your prose is kinda like reading the eyesight chart you get in the doctor's office. keeps me sharp, thanks. |
It doesn't take a study to know someone is lieing. Esp given the history of the people who lie. Because the lost a few people in ww2, is not going to cause me to have sympathy for them. Or critque them anyless.
Palestine is good enough reason to not support any jew with sympathy, because of ww2. As soon as hitler got done with them, the jews moved to the middle east, and did the same thing to others. Ethnic cleansing in palestine. So i frankly couldn't give a about the jewish population. They are the same as the ones who were killing them 70 years ago.
They are mass murdering people in palestine, because of race. Thier murderings are limited to palestinians only. Anyone else can move around freely in the area, syrans, lebenese, egyptians, etc etc. |
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| Capitalizt |
Israel could do some real "ethnic cleansing" with a few strategic nukes in if they wanted to...but of course they don't.
As unjust as their actions have been towards palestinians, you can't compare them to the Nazis. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
Israel could do some real "ethnic cleansing" with a few strategic nukes in if they wanted to...but of course they don't.
As unjust as their actions have been towards palestinians, you can't compare them to the Nazis. |
Why not? They both have the same goal, Wipe out a specific group of people. Only the nazis image of who was in this specific group...was much wider. And in comparison, given the size of hitlers power, and the size of the jewish/zionist power in isreal, they have both done pretty much the same amount of damage, for thier sizes.
Plus, the random attacks made by isreal against lebenon, would suggest that the image is getting a bit wider also.
Also, i bet, the only reason they DON'T use nuclear weapons, is because they want the land the palestinians live on. Nuclear weapons would destroy the land. |
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