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The trance formula (pg. 6)
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
Talent is talent and heart is heart; you either have it or you don't. How do you really describe to someone how to put more feeling into their tracks? You can explain minor keys and diminished chords, but beyond that, you can't create the "soul" of a track for anyone. |
I'm not really sure we're even talking about the same thing here. I mean that people only care about the process, not the end product. They don't seem to have any sort of vision about what they want to do - they produce for the sake of producing, not because they have something to "say", so to speak. It's just going through the motions.
I mean I tried to start a discussion on how people pick the titles to their tracks (and how they relate to the track) and got very little out of them. Seemed like most just whack out the first title they can think of to the track. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | | ...but when it becomes the only thing you discuss there's something gone very wrong. |
Definitely, that's where all the heart and talent goes, even when they are just beginning. From my personal experience, you can develop professional sound as you make more and more music, but creativity is not learned. When you're just beginning is the perfect time to experiment, not to strive to replicate perfectly some other standard.
Regarding the title discussion - i know i generally begin with an evocative sound and then build up around it, and sometimes I come up with a title as a concept that arises from the sound early on and then it sort of permeates everything for the duration of the project and gives it a conceptual base that really aids in the creation of a cohesive track. I also work this way in architecture, but there we refer to it as 'tectonics' rather than sound design and 'programming rather than structure, and 'plan' rather than arrangement. I wonder how a lot of people come up with titles as well.
Generally people seem to pick titles the way that they pick avatars online or something. that is, it just looks/sounds cool and somehow 'represents' in a postrational way what it is they made/who they are |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I'm not really sure we're even talking about the same thing here. I mean that people only care about the process, not the end product. They don't seem to have any sort of vision about what they want to do - they produce for the sake of producing, not because they have something to "say", so to speak. It's just going through the motions.
I mean I tried to start a discussion on how people pick the titles to their tracks (and how they relate to the track) and got very little out of them. Seemed like most just whack out the first title they can think of to the track. |
I see what you are saying, I just don't understand how you could really determine from a message board whether people are just going through the motions or if they really care about what they are producing. I got into a discussion with a rock musician who was almost indicating that I am not passionate about my music because I don't really have the tactile, tangible feel of playing the music. You know as well as I that just because our music is typically "programmed" instead of "played" doesn't mean that there is no passion or "heart", or care for the end-result.
I asked him if Mozart or Beethoven didn't have any passion when they were composing rather than playing.
Most people don't get on a message board about electronic music to figure out how to get inspired, they get on there because they either can't figure out how to turn their inspiration/feelings into the sound they are going for, or they are trying to be a sheep cranking out another repeat same-old track that they have heard before. But how do you really know the difference just because someone isn't sure what compression settings to use on their kick? |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
I see what you are saying, I just don't understand how you could really determine from a message board whether people are just going through the motions or if they really care about what they are producing. |
The endless wave of samey sounding tracks might be telling something... |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
The endless wave of samey sounding tracks might be telling something... |
I fully admit not listening to a mass amount of tracks in there, so maybe I haven't noticed it as much as you. |
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| SuspicionVandit |
Static Blue and Carl B are the same person, right?
right? |
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| smakmagik |
wrong
Carl B = Carl Barrdahl = Peak
Static Blue = Jonathan Blakoe = Maava |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The subjective part is that I'm tired of it. The objective part of the matter is that this kind of music really does use all the same sounds in almost exactly the same way.
I'm trying to produce a bit myself, and I honestly can't see how it would be enjoyable to craft ten different versions of the same ten or so sounds ("aah" choir, saw pad, saw lead, etc.) and use them in the exact same kind of song structure again and again. Have you ever tried to produce or do anything artistic? If so, do you understand how somebody could enjoy doing that?
Maybe somebody could explain that to me, because I find it really baffling. |
lol, good thing you decided to get into trance and not classical...
you'd get bored with the same old "10" instruments and hate on the whole genre.
damn violins always being used for emotional tribulation... |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I'm not criticizing you personally, and I don't want to, so please calm down. Go listen to some chicane or something :p. If you read my post calmly before overreacting and quoting it you would see that I question even my own taste in music. I have mixes from a few years back with armand van helden and thrillseekers in them... what's important is that i don't anymore |
AVH owns you |
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| nefardec |
| lol and jerry ropero too |
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| AustralianGQ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beat Blog
Perhaps for the same reason that people continue to make formulaic threads about how trance is these days? |
touche.....
the trance hate bandwagon is pretty full and pretty old now, dont ya think? if u dont like it, why are u on this site? to talk and ramble on b/c it makes u feel better atnight?
not everyone is gonna like the same things u do, what u may dislike, ppl may really love. |
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| AustralianGQ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnus
Whatever sounds good to me, thats all that matters. If it comes from a formula, so be it. |
agreed. if it sounds good to me, i listen and enjoy it. i dont try to analyze every song and deconstruct it and judge it piece by piece like some of u do. |
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