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The trance formula (pg. 7)
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| bobba lou |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
indeed.
money is awesome (or so i hear) |
lol. ask someone what Hooj use to pay in advance back in the day. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by AustralianGQ
agreed. if it sounds good to me, i listen and enjoy it. i dont try to analyze every song and deconstruct it and judge it piece by piece like some of u do. |
Eh, some people have low standards, some people have higher ones. If these types of discussion are so unpleasant for you, then (using your same idea) why read them? Why post?
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| SYSTEM-J |
People keep making trance records that sound the same because they think that's what they should sound like.
When the songwriter for an unsigned garage band of four 15 year olds sits down and writes his first song, which he imagines will become a Number One, he writes one that sounds just like every other rock song out there. And he'll sit back and admire his work and be proud because it sounds just like what his heroes would have written. He has no voice of his own yet.
You show me one trance producer who's been around for five years or more who keeps making trance records in the formula described. I can't think of anyone. Some artists write lots of tracks that sound the same- but they've found their own voice over the years and their tracks sound like their own. Most artists simply evolve and move on over time.
What you have here is a genre of artists who are all new, are all finding their feet and are all copying what they think is the Right Formula. Make a track as the opening post tells you and it will sound professional.
And there's a genre of new listeners coming through on the Internet- and it is mainly on the Internet, because nobody outside of Holland gives a about epic trance in the real world anymore- who've no idea of context and history and will download this stuff and love it. They've not got chance to find their own feet either, but the Internet gives them unlimited listening power and the ability to vote for a DJ they've probably never seen in flesh.
It's a scene that feeds itself and will perpetuate itself: new producers make tracks that sound like the rest and get signed because they're made on cheap software that sounds professional. New listeners who haven't got bored of the formula or who don't know it is a formula keep bolstering their success. And as long as the big labels can stay in money and keep control over the scene, they'll keep this up all night long. |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I'm trying to produce a bit myself, and I honestly can't see how it would be enjoyable to craft ten different versions of the same ten or so sounds ("aah" choir, saw pad, saw lead, etc.) and use them in the exact same kind of song structure again and again. Have you ever tried to produce or do anything artistic? If so, do you understand how somebody could enjoy doing that? |
because it sounds nice to them?
i've steered myself into a similar trap in the past, making alot of tunes in a pretty similar style. basically i'd say the reason for that is that often when i've tried to do things differently, i haven't *felt* the track as much.. and would end up thinking "that kick needs more drive", "that bassline needs to be fuller", "that breakdown needs to be more like that other track i did..." and i'd end up not being able to enjoy it until i made the adjustments, despite the end product being less original
i don't completely disagree with the point you're trying to make, just giving a view from the other side of the fence. i also think that stuff can have soul despite being formulaic |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
because nobody outside of Holland gives a about epic trance in the real world anymore- |
and this is ass, too. i can tell you don't frequent clubs much ;) (and yeah i was already aware of this) |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
and this is ass, too. i can tell you don't frequent clubs much ;) (and yeah i was already aware of this) |
You weren't aware of jack , because I go out regularly every Thursday. Don't make stupid assumptions on zero evidence- you'll look like a up.
And it isn't "ass". It's an exaggeration, admittedly, but compared to a few years ago, the number of regular trance nights is extremely low. Before it burned down, even Crasher were playing house more than trance. I just took a scan at the club listings in the latest Mixmag and in the first 20 nights, 2 were trance. In real, physical clubs it's practically a niche genre now, which doesn't strike with the continued flow of new listeners you see on the Internet, hence my point. |
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| nefardec |
i have to say that there is some value for one producer to stick to his own style, because every time you improve it or create another facet of the idea at large until you make that one track that just nails the concept that's been in his head so long
i know in the visual arts and architecture that a series of pieces with the same language eventually leads to a nice understanding of the idea |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
lol, good thing you decided to get into trance and not classical...
you'd get bored with the same old "10" instruments and hate on the whole genre.
damn violins always being used for emotional tribulation... |
Apples and oranges. The main area for innovation and achievement in classical music is melodic / harmonic ideas, so that's what I'd be concentrating on doing if I were writing classical. 99.9% of dance music doesn't do anything innovative as far as harmony and melody, it just takes the principles already well-established by generations of pop music. This is for good reason, since if it tried to do what classical music does with tonality people would perceive it as dissonant, complicated, or weird and wouldn't want to dance to it.
I love classical music, by the way, but I don't expect the same things from it that I'd expect from electronic music, like new timbres / effects not possible with acoustic instruments. I don't consider one or the other type of music "better," they're just typically a lot different in what they're trying to achieve. |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You weren't aware of jack , because I go out regularly every Thursday. Don't make stupid assumptions on zero evidence- you'll look like a up. |
sorry, i meant trance clubs. -up guilty as charged.. it was late last night & i was slightly wired; i missed out an operative word & didn't think to proof-read.
obviously trance is niche when compared to house/electro & various kinds of mainstream music here in the UK, but it's far from a dying scene; as anyone from the global gathering main tent this year or one of the 3000+ crammed into gatecrasher for pvd's last 6hr set will tell you. the sheer amount of people i've met through clubbing that still go wild for melodic/uplifting stuff is as good a sign for me that it still plays a role, nevermind mixmag listings or anything like that |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
obviously trance is niche when compared to house/electro & various kinds of mainstream music here in the UK, but it's far from a dying scene; as anyone from the global gathering main tent this year or one of the 3000+ crammed into gatecrasher for pvd's last 6hr set will tell you. the sheer amount of people i've met through clubbing that still go wild for melodic/uplifting stuff is as good a sign for me that it still plays a role, nevermind mixmag listings or anything like that |
Yeah, but it wasn't a niche a few years ago. It was the mainstream. Now it isn't. The thing I'm describing (desire to be imitated by new musicians, constant influx of new listeners) are only really evident in any numbers in genres where mainstream success provides recruitment ground.
It was a relative statement. |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by AustralianGQ
touche.....
the trance hate bandwagon is pretty full and pretty old now, dont ya think? if u dont like it, why are u on this site? to talk and ramble on b/c it makes u feel better atnight?
not everyone is gonna like the same things u do, what u may dislike, ppl may really love. |
the "if you don't like it don't listen to it"-bandwagon is pretty loaded as well. Get off you in cow!! :whip: |
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| Clovis |
| I just always find it funny when people complain about other people complaining. :stongue: |
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