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Photos: Steve Lawler @ This Is London (September 21st 2007) (pg. 4)
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| chinamon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prometheus Xex
Hey Chinamon... how come your head is always down when you take a self portrait? You wanted by the cops or something? LOL! |
maybe. |
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| Prometheus Xex |
| quote: | Originally posted by chinamon
maybe. |
I thought so! |
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| Rook |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris Allen
It's common practice for an opening DJ to warm the crowd up for who they are opening for. People come and pay for the headliner (majority of the time) so you need to know who you're opening for and what the crowd wants, all the while mixing in your own style and flavour.
Opening sets are some of the hardest sets I've played because you have to build and crescendo the crowd to what the headliner likes and is going to be playing.
Kenneth Thomas gave me an awesome analogy once. He said "Opening sets are like a train, you have to start it from a standstill and work it so that the train is up to full speed and ready to go. Then the headliner takes off once the train is at full speed and has full range to do what he's there to do."
Too many times does an opening DJ think that they've got their one shot to impress people/promoters/club/other DJ's and play all they've got for their time. Unfortunately that just puts a damper on the night as the headliner wonders wtf you're doing, not to mention it ends up hurting your chances of coming back again.
Again, opening is one of the hardest jobs of the night. |
this does not make any sense to me../\
how can a particular dj warm up a crowd for another dj?? they should be two seperate entity's IMO.. for example 16 bit at LOL.. they have their own following and fans that they needed 2please, not set up the kill for DT.. DT can do that on his own.. if your playing to keep the headliner happy, then your not playing for the fans, and your def not playing your style, which is ridiculous.. how does one know what the next dj is going to play anyway..?
if by playing an awesome set at the begining puts a damper on the night because the dj cant bring himself to the level of the bar that was raised then he isnt worthy of being a headline dj, after all, 9/10 the headliner is more talented than the opener, so the skill level should and cannot be compared..
as far as impressing people while your the opener.. your not going to get the chance to be a headliner unless you put on a good show as an opener IMO.. if i was a dj and i got the chance to perform before a large crowd and great venue i would sure as hell try my hardest.. if you got an opening gig at ibiza.. would you hold back and try to restrain yourself from blowing off the roof..?? there not going talk down about you blowing off the roof as much as they will if you played like .. Chris Allen i hope you take this as constructive critisism, i actually saw you play an opening set at rum runners for SVD and TBH i wasnt too impressed.. and the chances of me going to see you headline are slim.. all because you were "warming up the crowd".. i really hope that this is not an excuse for people to justify their "average" sets..
as far as not playing certain songs.. there has to be thousands of songs available to be played.. surely they can all find their fair share of tracks.. |
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| Rook |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris Allen
It's common practice for an opening DJ to warm the crowd up for who they are opening for. People come and pay for the headliner (majority of the time) so you need to know who you're opening for and what the crowd wants, all the while mixing in your own style and flavour.
Opening sets are some of the hardest sets I've played because you have to build and crescendo the crowd to what the headliner likes and is going to be playing.
Kenneth Thomas gave me an awesome analogy once. He said "Opening sets are like a train, you have to start it from a standstill and work it so that the train is up to full speed and ready to go. Then the headliner takes off once the train is at full speed and has full range to do what he's there to do."
Too many times does an opening DJ think that they've got their one shot to impress people/promoters/club/other DJ's and play all they've got for their time. Unfortunately that just puts a damper on the night as the headliner wonders wtf you're doing, not to mention it ends up hurting your chances of coming back again.
Again, opening is one of the hardest jobs of the night. |
this does not make any sense to me../\
how can a particular dj warm up a crowd for another dj?? they should be two seperate entity's IMO.. for example 16 bit at LOL.. they have their own following and fans that they needed 2please, not set up the kill for DT.. DT can do that on his own.. if your playing to keep the headliner happy, then your not playing for the fans, and your def not playing your style, which is ridiculous.. how does one know what the next dj is going to play anyway..?
if by playing an awesome set at the begining puts a damper on the night because the dj cant bring himself to the level of the bar that was raised then he isnt worthy of being a headline dj, after all, 9/10 the headliner is more talented than the opener, so the skill level should and cannot be compared..
as far as impressing people while your the opener.. your not going to get the chance to be a headliner unless you put on a good show as an opener IMO.. if i was a dj and i got the chance to perform before a large crowd and great venue i would sure as hell try my hardest.. if you got an opening gig at ibiza.. would you hold back and try to restrain yourself from blowing off the roof..?? there not going talk down about you blowing off the roof as much as they will if you played like .. Chris Allen i hope you take this as constructive critisism, i actually saw you play an opening set at rum runners for SVD and TBH i wasnt too impressed.. and the chances of me going to see you headline are slim.. all because you were "warming up the crowd".. i really hope that this is not an excuse for people to justify their "average" sets..
as far as not playing certain songs.. there has to be thousands of songs available to be played.. surely they can all find their fair share of tracks.. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| so did everyone else hear lawler state his next Viva Album is going to be Viva - Toronto.....when he said that my excitment level for the night went through the roof |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
so did everyone else hear lawler state his next Viva Album is going to be Viva - Toronto.....when he said that my excitment level for the night went through the roof |
really? wow |
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| Special K |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
so did everyone else hear lawler state his next Viva Album is going to be Viva - Toronto.....when he said that my excitment level for the night went through the roof |
did not know that ... but thats pretty cool!
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| slingshot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rook
this does not make any sense to me../\
how can a particular dj warm up a crowd for another dj?? they should be two seperate entity's IMO.. for example 16 bit at LOL.. they have their own following and fans that they needed 2please, not set up the kill for DT.. DT can do that on his own.. if your playing to keep the headliner happy, then your not playing for the fans, and your def not playing your style, which is ridiculous.. how does one know what the next dj is going to play anyway..?
if by playing an awesome set at the begining puts a damper on the night because the dj cant bring himself to the level of the bar that was raised then he isnt worthy of being a headline dj, after all, 9/10 the headliner is more talented than the opener, so the skill level should and cannot be compared..
as far as impressing people while your the opener.. your not going to get the chance to be a headliner unless you put on a good show as an opener IMO.. if i was a dj and i got the chance to perform before a large crowd and great venue i would sure as hell try my hardest.. if you got an opening gig at ibiza.. would you hold back and try to restrain yourself from blowing off the roof..?? there not going talk down about you blowing off the roof as much as they will if you played like .. Chris Allen i hope you take this as constructive critisism, i actually saw you play an opening set at rum runners for SVD and TBH i wasnt too impressed.. and the chances of me going to see you headline are slim.. all because you were "warming up the crowd".. i really hope that this is not an excuse for people to justify their "average" sets..
as far as not playing certain songs.. there has to be thousands of songs available to be played.. surely they can all find their fair share of tracks.. |
lol, wow.
if you ever give dj'ing a go....best of luck to ya! maybe by that time the way the industry works will take a complete 180 degree turn and stepping on people's toes will be the way to get places! |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rook
this does not make any sense to me../\
how can a particular dj warm up a crowd for another dj?? they should be two seperate entity's IMO.. for example 16 bit at LOL.. they have their own following and fans that they needed 2please, not set up the kill for DT.. DT can do that on his own.. if your playing to keep the headliner happy, then your not playing for the fans, and your def not playing your style, which is ridiculous.. how does one know what the next dj is going to play anyway..?
if by playing an awesome set at the begining puts a damper on the night because the dj cant bring himself to the level of the bar that was raised then he isnt worthy of being a headline dj, after all, 9/10 the headliner is more talented than the opener, so the skill level should and cannot be compared..
as far as impressing people while your the opener.. your not going to get the chance to be a headliner unless you put on a good show as an opener IMO.. if i was a dj and i got the chance to perform before a large crowd and great venue i would sure as hell try my hardest.. if you got an opening gig at ibiza.. would you hold back and try to restrain yourself from blowing off the roof..?? there not going talk down about you blowing off the roof as much as they will if you played like .. Chris Allen i hope you take this as constructive critisism, i actually saw you play an opening set at rum runners for SVD and TBH i wasnt too impressed.. and the chances of me going to see you headline are slim.. all because you were "warming up the crowd".. i really hope that this is not an excuse for people to justify their "average" sets..
as far as not playing certain songs.. there has to be thousands of songs available to be played.. surely they can all find their fair share of tracks.. |
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seriously, LOL |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rook
this does not make any sense to me../\
how can a particular dj warm up a crowd for another dj?? they should be two seperate entity's IMO.. for example 16 bit at LOL.. they have their own following and fans that they needed 2please, not set up the kill for DT.. DT can do that on his own.. if your playing to keep the headliner happy, then your not playing for the fans, and your def not playing your style, which is ridiculous.. how does one know what the next dj is going to play anyway..?
if by playing an awesome set at the begining puts a damper on the night because the dj cant bring himself to the level of the bar that was raised then he isnt worthy of being a headline dj, after all, 9/10 the headliner is more talented than the opener, so the skill level should and cannot be compared..
as far as impressing people while your the opener.. your not going to get the chance to be a headliner unless you put on a good show as an opener IMO.. if i was a dj and i got the chance to perform before a large crowd and great venue i would sure as hell try my hardest.. if you got an opening gig at ibiza.. would you hold back and try to restrain yourself from blowing off the roof..?? there not going talk down about you blowing off the roof as much as they will if you played like .. Chris Allen i hope you take this as constructive critisism, i actually saw you play an opening set at rum runners for SVD and TBH i wasnt too impressed.. and the chances of me going to see you headline are slim.. all because you were "warming up the crowd".. i really hope that this is not an excuse for people to justify their "average" sets..
as far as not playing certain songs.. there has to be thousands of songs available to be played.. surely they can all find their fair share of tracks.. |
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| Ryster |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
so did everyone else hear lawler state his next Viva Album is going to be Viva - Toronto.....when he said that my excitment level for the night went through the roof |
Yupp I heard that...Can't wait!! |
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| Chris Allen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rook
this does not make any sense to me../\
how can a particular dj warm up a crowd for another dj?? they should be two seperate entity's IMO.. for example 16 bit at LOL.. they have their own following and fans that they needed 2please, not set up the kill for DT.. DT can do that on his own.. if your playing to keep the headliner happy, then your not playing for the fans, and your def not playing your style, which is ridiculous.. how does one know what the next dj is going to play anyway..? |
It's a tough thing to do, to keep playing in your own style, but to work the crowd for the headliner as well. Do you think someone like Mark Oliver plays the same set every weekend? Or does he gauge it towards the headliner(s)? Mark, in my opinion is one of the greatest openers/closers around.
How does one know what the next DJ is going to play? Do your research. Look up track listings and check out what the headlining DJ is currently playing. Simple, yet extremely effective at bringing the night together.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rook
if by playing an awesome set at the begining puts a damper on the night because the dj cant bring himself to the level of the bar that was raised then he isnt worthy of being a headline dj, after all, 9/10 the headliner is more talented than the opener, so the skill level should and cannot be compared.. |
Nobody said you can't play 'awesome' but if you try to out-shine the headliner to try and prove a point that you're "the man" then you're doing things the wrong way, in my opinion.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rook
as far as impressing people while your the opener.. your not going to get the chance to be a headliner unless you put on a good show as an opener IMO.. if i was a dj and i got the chance to perform before a large crowd and great venue i would sure as hell try my hardest.. if you got an opening gig at ibiza.. would you hold back and try to restrain yourself from blowing off the roof..?? there not going talk down about you blowing off the roof as much as they will if you played like .. Chris Allen i hope you take this as constructive critisism, i actually saw you play an opening set at rum runners for SVD and TBH i wasnt too impressed.. and the chances of me going to see you headline are slim.. all because you were "warming up the crowd".. i really hope that this is not an excuse for people to justify their "average" sets.. |
By that first comment, let's just hope you don't pick up DJing.
As for my show at SVD, I can't comment on what you thought of the show as you're clearly entitled to your own opinion. But your attempt at "constructive criticism" fell a bit short, seeing as there wasn't anything constructive. As for you coming to see me headline in the future: I don't mind if you don't show up. That's just someone's spot you're taking up who actually wants to be there anyway.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rook
as far as not playing certain songs.. there has to be thousands of songs available to be played.. surely they can all find their fair share of tracks.. |
This comment is hilarious as well. Yes, there are thousands upon thousands of tunes out there, but each DJ plays specifically to a style he/she has (hopefully) crafted as his/her own. If the opening DJ goes through and plays through that headliner's catalogue then it's disrespecting to the headliner not to mentions shows you're not an adequate opener.
I'll say it again, the opener has the hardest job of the night. The above comments just prove how ignorant people can be in the club scene when they don't understand how a successful night of performance should go. |
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