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BT, as seen by Ishkur (pg. 7)
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| montana |
| people begged cusick to write it after he mentioned his dislike of bt's music in a previous column |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Agree or disagree, whether you think he's a complete cunt or not, |
Hahaha, yeah.
Ishkur vs Element-Y, lets make it happen. |
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| plaxx |
Ishkur should never be taken seriously...
BT is a musical genius. He's tries out things no one would ever dare to because they'd rather stick to what everyone else is doing. The technical process BT goes through is truly astounding and unique.
Also, where do you get off comparing BT to Ferry Corsten? Your article is merely a reflection of a recent infatuation with Ferry Corsten. Given, this is your personal view of the artist, but you're trying to bring it to a point to make whomever reads the article dislike BT.
The problem with the scene today are the Luddites who refuse to move forward, who refuse the embrace change but would rather bring up the epic 90's and Oakenfold's EM tour.
In my opinion, this is nothing but a poorly written article full of mediocre similes.
edit: Ishkur, you're not by any chance against ableton for djing are you? |
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| ibizzzaaa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Ishkur is the Maddox of EDM. |
Fusion of Maddox and Pitchfork Media applied to EDM. ;) |
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| stevėsto |
mark me down as another who completely agrees with the article.
the only problem i had is im left with the mental image that the author is someone who watches a lot of porn. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
I had a point to make, and I made it. |
Unfortunately you're no where near as imaginative a writer as Cusik. |
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| isoterra |
i thought that cusik article was a mess & not the slightest bit enjoyable to read. i gave up after this paragraph:
| quote: | | His music tries so hard to be correct at times it renders itself uninteresting. This music does not writhe or howl or twitch, it is not hung-over, either giving into or recovering from an addiction, an obsession or a perversion. He's a musical Puritan, a Christian cop. The music suffers no readily apparent lacerations, diseases or infections. The music is sterile. It is not trapped in neurotic sexual frenzy. It chases nothing because it is disconnected from real desire and pathos. I wonder if BT were actually able to successfully incorporate moments of profound silence on this album what would they resonate with? Pithiness probably. But never an echoed taste of De Sade's pathos or mania. Well, this isn't really fair. He did the best he could...sadly. I'd prefer to hear an album of what HE believes to be his worst music, not what I believe to be his worst. Things that perhaps he deletes in the middle of the night out of shame, uncertainty or fear. Paranoid riffs. Can a riff be paranoid? I guess not. A riff is a type of certainty, usually overstated male bravado and little else. Paranoia is a form of fearful ignorance. Still there must be musical passages that have leapt from his subconscious without analysis' musical paradoxes, something' anything. Confusing things, etc. If he ever had the courage to pursue those emotions to their end, he might actually produce something of interest. Instead this music has bought into the clich' of its own imagined genius. |
by then he was just throwing miscellaneous (& occasionally nonsensical) sentences down without any kind of flow or direction. like a bad dj set.
i can't say i fully agree with ishkur, but his was a far more entertaining read |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevėsto
the only problem i had is im left with the mental image that the author is someone who watches a lot of porn. |
:stongue:
yep. |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
by then he was just throwing miscellaneous (& occasionally nonsensical) sentences down without any kind of flow or direction. like a bad dj set. |
Or an over-produced BT track?;) |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
Or an over-produced BT track?;) |
heh. maybe that was his aim? |
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| distant |
| quote: | Originally posted by plaxx
Ishkur should never be taken seriously...
BT is a musical genius. He's tries out things no one would ever dare to because they'd rather stick to what everyone else is doing. The technical process BT goes through is truly astounding and unique.
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The problem with the scene today are the Luddites who refuse to move forward, who refuse the embrace change but would rather bring up the epic 90's and Oakenfold's EM tour. |
You completely missed the point. BT isn't forward-thinking in sound, he is forward-thinking in technique. Just as you said, but still misinterpreting what Ishkur's article was about. We're not supposed to be "astounded" and admire the "uniqueness" of production techniques. If you do that you're no longer judging music.
P.S. Somebody PLEASE tell me how writing source code for music could EVER make it sound better than classically written music? Why would you even bother trying that except to prove some dumb point? Bottom line: Mathematical formulas aren't aesthetically pleasing. |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by distant
You completely missed the point. BT isn't forward-thinking in sound |
I would say he certainly is to some extent. But that's irrelevant, music doesn't have to be forward-thinking to be appreciated.
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he is forward-thinking in technique. Just as you said, but still misinterpreting what Ishkur's article was about. We're not supposed to be "astounded" and admire the "uniqueness" of production techniques. If you do that you're no longer judging music.
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If there's anyone who's obsessed with the production techniques it's people like you. If you're aim is to judge the music you should be able to pretend you don't know anything about his production techniques or who he is. Then you could simply say you don't like his music, but that's not satisfiying, is it? You gotta convince everybody else there's something wrong it, and with BT you have all the perfect things to whine about. And seriously, why shouldn't someone be allowed to admire an artist for his technique (especially since you bash the artist because of it)? You tell others to judge the music while you rant about everything else that isn't the music. That's hypocritical to say the least.
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P.S. Somebody PLEASE tell me how writing source code for music could EVER make it sound better than classically written music? Why would you even bother trying that except to prove some dumb point? Bottom line: Mathematical formulas aren't aesthetically pleasing. |
Has anyone actually said it makes it sound better? BT probably thought of it as a fun thing to try, an experiment, he did it and then he told people about it. What's the problem?
You don't like the track? That's fine, really.
You have a problem with BT using Csound? No one could care less. |
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