Originally posted by nefardec
since I was not part of that generation, it would be wonderful to hear in a club, but it wouldn't be the same in any way, since the context is completely different.
I essentially agree with nefardec here, certainly based on my own experiences of going to Retro nights playing stuff from the early 90s. As great as it is to hear an old classic in a set in a club, the experience is completely different to if that music were new and the whole event wasn't... I hesitate to say "contrived", but certainly artificial. It isn't ever a "right here, right now" experience like hearing a brand new track that you love is, because the whole experience is just a recreation of the past and you can never actually capture the past, just reconstruct it.
The other side of the question is, I suppose, "What if new music still sounded like old music?" I do genuinely love music from the 90s and not just because of nostalgia or peer-pressured reverence, because I can hear tracks in old sets that nobody talks about today and still love them and their sound. If the sounds of the 90s were new and uncharted territory in 2007, I think I'd like them a lot more than what is new and uncharted territory in 2007. But if dance music hadn't evolved in 20 years, we'd all be sick of the same damn things.
I suppose the point that emerges, un-rehearsed from this rambling is that a lot of us think the early 90s were better than today, but we don't necessarily want today to be like the early 90s. We want our period to be as good as back then, but we want it be ours, fresh and uncharted and "right here, right now" to us, which isn't always the case. Particularly in trance.
Erotic Buddha
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I essentially agree with nefardec here, certainly based on my own experiences of going to Retro nights playing stuff from the early 90s. As great as it is to hear an old classic in a set in a club, the experience is completely different to if that music were new and the whole event wasn't... I hesitate to say "contrived", but certainly artificial. It isn't ever a "right here, right now" experience like hearing a brand new track that you love is, because the whole experience is just a recreation of the past and you can never actually capture the past, just reconstruct it.
The other side of the question is, I suppose, "What if new music still sounded like old music?" I do genuinely love music from the 90s and not just because of nostalgia or peer-pressured reverence, because I can hear tracks in old sets that nobody talks about today and still love them and their sound. If the sounds of the 90s were new and uncharted territory in 2007, I think I'd like them a lot more than what is new and uncharted territory in 2007. But if dance music hadn't evolved in 20 years, we'd all be sick of the same damn things.
I suppose the point that emerges, un-rehearsed from this rambling is that a lot of us think the early 90s were better than today, but we don't necessarily want today to be like the early 90s. We want our period to be as good as back then, but we want it be ours, fresh and uncharted and "right here, right now" to us, which isn't always the case. Particularly in trance.
So if you heard Sasha 1995 essential mix LIVE today, you wouldn't enjoy it because it doesn't sound fresh? Personally, i'd sacrifice my left testicle to hear that set live or any 1999 set live TODAY, regardless of how "old" it sounds
oldblue1224
i don' want to step on anyone's toes here, but i personally cannot listen to older, 'classic' trance music. i've tried numerous times to listen to old sets, and old mix albums and to me, it just seems like that music either sounds cheesy, or is pure 'acid' trance. for instance, i went to a classic trance night about a year ago and the dj's played all old stuff that sounded pure like cheese. don't hound me too hard for saying this but this is my opinion. i know most of you guys were around during the early days of trance and this is why you have an appreciation for the early tunes, and i respect that. me personally, it's just not my taste. and i'm sure that i'll still keep trying to listen and enjoy older trance music. any suggestions on what to listen to would also help.
the_gamemaster
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Originally posted by oldblue1224
i don' want to step on anyone's toes here, but i personally cannot listen to older, 'classic' trance music. i've tried numerous times to listen to old sets, and old mix albums and to me, it just seems like that music either sounds cheesy, or is pure 'acid' trance. for instance, i went to a classic trance night about a year ago and the dj's played all old stuff that sounded pure like cheese. don't hound me too hard for saying this but this is my opinion. i know most of you guys were around during the early days of trance and this is why you have an appreciation for the early tunes, and i respect that. me personally, it's just not my taste. and i'm sure that i'll still keep trying to listen and enjoy older trance music. any suggestions on what to listen to would also help.
I wouldnt say its any cheesier but what I do find is older trance tends to be more boring sounding. It just doesnt have as much kick as modern trance and the tracks arent as dynamic, they just sound flat. Its probably because they didnt have the technology to produce tracks to such a high standard back in those days.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Erotic Buddha
So if you heard Sasha 1995 essential mix LIVE today, you wouldn't enjoy it because it doesn't sound fresh? Personally, i'd sacrifice my left testicle to hear that set live or any 1999 set live TODAY, regardless of how "old" it sounds
No,I'm not saying that at all. To sum up briefly what I mean, I'll go back to a few weeks ago at a retro night, when the DJ dropped Bedrock's "For What You Dream Of". I absolutely loved it, and it was fantastic to hear it in a club surrounded by people going nuts to it. However, I already knew what was going to happen in the track. I knew the words, I knew the builds, I knew how the melody would cut out when the track dropped... It was great to hear everything I knew in that situation, but you cannot seriously tell me it was a better experience than hearing that track for the first time in 1993 in a club and not knowing what this track was and what it would do next.
RebeL9
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Originally posted by oldblue1224
i don' want to step on anyone's toes here, but i personally cannot listen to older, 'classic' trance music. i've tried numerous times to listen to old sets, and old mix albums and to me, it just seems like that music either sounds cheesy, or is pure 'acid' trance. for instance, i went to a classic trance night about a year ago and the dj's played all old stuff that sounded pure like cheese. don't hound me too hard for saying this but this is my opinion. i know most of you guys were around during the early days of trance and this is why you have an appreciation for the early tunes, and i respect that. me personally, it's just not my taste. and i'm sure that i'll still keep trying to listen and enjoy older trance music. any suggestions on what to listen to would also help.
what are you comparing with when you say it sounds cheesy?
Darkarbiter
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Originally posted by Aristronica
in either case everyone should save themselves about 5-7 years and just move on to house.
House fanboi detected
TBH I can handle cheesy stuff... I can handle guitars in psytrance... and vocals in stuff... but pretty much any house sounds incredibly cheesy to me. So I doubt I will ever like it
+1 To the just cos I wasn't born then doesn't mean I can't like it btw
PETRAN
Yea yea trance music, extremely cool, hypnotic, trippy, emotional sound. The X-MIX-1 was dope. How about the amazing resistance d?
Isn't it a beautiful tune? It conjures universal feelings and cosmic images, as all good trance music should do.
As for the comparison between the old and the new trance, they are quite different sounds altogether. Anyway i wouldn't call old trance "cheesy". On the contrary, most tunes were much darker then the current ones. What i like in this older sound, is its' underground and raw, analogue sound. Plus, the tunes were much more diverse back then, they didn't all have a bloody super-saw lead playing the cliche a-la summery nostalgia melody (not that i don't like nostalgic melodies...its just that summery-nostalgia melodies are not the whole story...they somehow get boring making you sometimes to hate summery nostalgia and looking for the winter, and the spring and the night, and the moon and the stars... )
Minhaj
for the n00bs;
Humate - Love Stimulation , the loveclub mix by paul van dyk
probably one of the most saddest piece of music created
SYSTEM-J
Hmm. I've never thought Love Stimulation sounds sad. Almost the opposite, if anything.
AustralianGQ
looking at that list i prefer trance now then back then!
some of these tunes i really enjoy, some i havent heard at all. but i still prefer todays stuff.
Minhaj
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Hmm. I've never thought Love Stimulation sounds sad. Almost the opposite, if anything.
the PvD mix sounds sad 2 alot of people.
i think laurent garnier says something about it in this video.
