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Best sound system (pg. 4)
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| london_ta |
BOA :eyes:
SONIC :toocool:
COMFORT ZONE :crazy:
GUV main room is the worst waste of space ever. The sound is in brutal. :whip: |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| I love how the majority of people love the system at a club that isn't even open for business anymore....obviously shows that you don't need a good sound system to keep the people coming through the doors. |
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| london_ta |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I love how the majority of people love the system at a club that isn't even open for business anymore....obviously shows that you don't need a good sound system to keep the people coming through the doors. |
Someone is on the ball this morning |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by london_ta
Someone is on the ball this morning |
actually, its more of a cube then a ball |
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| catinthehat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
First of all, quality sound is subjective. Short of walking the room and doing a proper spectral analysis, etc, you are all just expressing opinions, opinions based on your auditory range and preferences.
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We're not talking about equalizer settings here. Sound quality is based on things like frequency response, acoustic noise, tonal distortion, etc. Which image is of better quality:
this or this ? Opinion has nothing to do with it.
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The bottom line here is that while some rooms are technically better than others, it's all about how YOU hear the sound. What frequencies have you lost, how often do you go out, where do you stand, have you ever really heard clean audio, etc., etc., etc.
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Some rooms ARE technically better than others, thats right. Guv is technically deficient. While I agree that if you have lost part of your hearing, you won't be able to make a fully informed analysis of the sound quality in a room, all the other things you mention actually don't matter one bit. If you're partially blind, I wouldn't fully trust your opinion on image quality above, but it makes no difference a) how often you look at black and white pictures, b) what angle you look at the image from, or c)have you ever seen a 4 billion megapixel picture before, etc etc etc.
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How did you learn about audio? Are you 100% self taught?
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faulty logic. Just because I didn't attend medical school doesn't mean I can't determine that something is medically wrong with me upon seeing lots of blood running out of a large cut in my arm. Likewise, I don't need a PhD in acoustic physics to recognize that not being able to hear anything but low rumbles at certain spots on the dance floor implies poor sound quality in the venue.
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It is absolutely correct that putting bodies in a room alters the sound. It is absolutely correct that high ceilings change the way the sound propagates. Hell, the temperature changes the way the sound propagates.
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Absolutely correct. You have reinforced the argument against good sound quality at Guv. The way these (and other) parameters are currently set at Guv results in poor sound quality.
In any case, there are usually certain spots in a club where quality is good. I always try to find them, but it's nice being anywhere in the place and not have to worry about stepping one meter to my left and not being able to hear the track anymore. |
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| kotsy |
Zone ftw
also KoolHaus.. I remember dnb in there for Freedom. Absolute insanity.. sooo loud and it didn't even hurt my ears. |
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| electro88 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Invasionmix
It's also a very loud system too |
+1, too loud |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by catinthehat
We're not talking about equalizer settings here. Sound quality is based on things like frequency response, acoustic noise, tonal distortion, etc. Which image is of better quality:
this or this ? Opinion has nothing to do with it. |
Opinion has everything to do with it. I agree that the variables you mentioned are contributing factors to quality, but comparing pictures is in no way the same thing as evaluating audio quality. Anyone can tell that one picture is blurry...most people wouldn't know a properly tuned room if they heard it. And how exactly do you influence things like frequency response, acoustic noise and tonal distortion? Quality gear and good ears. How do you control axial/longitudinal/tangential modes? With an EQ...or lots of EQs and other dynamic processing.
The bottom line here is that someone with no ear training and hearing loss inherent with prolonged exposure to loud music is incapable of making an accurate evaluation of sonic quality. They might be able to tell you that it sounds bad, or it's too loud or whatever, but their evaluation is strictly opinion based. There is little or no technical grounding to support it. A more accurate comparison would be test-driving a car. You might like the ride and be able to make basic observations, but unless you're a mechanic or professional driver you aren't really qualified to make any statement about technical quality.
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Some rooms ARE technically better than others, thats right. Guv is technically deficient. While I agree that if you have lost part of your hearing, you won't be able to make a fully informed analysis of the sound quality in a room, all the other things you mention actually don't matter one bit. If you're partially blind, I wouldn't fully trust your opinion on image quality above, but it makes no difference a) how often you look at black and white pictures, b) what angle you look at the image from, or c)have you ever seen a 4 billion megapixel picture before, etc etc etc. |
Where you stand in a room is a HUGE factor in sound quality. Why else are mix positions at concerts in the middle of the floor? If it didn't matter, the desk would be up by the monitor position, opening up more floor space. Again, the room's modes play a huge role in how the energy is interpereted by your brain. When touring, engineers perform a spectral analysis of every venue on the bill, so as to accurately tune the space to provide the best overall coverage across the spectrum to everyone in the building. These are basic building blocks, you can't polish a turd.
The whole black and white picture thing is a poor analogy. As you said, if you're partially blind you can't give a proper asessment of image quality - so why would I take the technical opinion of someone who hands out by the bass bins, or in front of the booth at CZ? How often you go out, when paired with other factors, can have a serious impact on how reliable your hearing is...why are most DJs half deaf?
You can't speak intelligently about the difference between HD TV and regular cable if you've never seen true HD. You can't speak intelligently about clean audio if you've never heard truly clean audio...which involves more than putting a CD or DVD in your home stereo. Every circuit that touches a signal colours the sound, Pro audio gear is so expensive because of the quality of the circuits.
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faulty logic. Just because I didn't attend medical school doesn't mean I can't determine that something is medically wrong with me upon seeing lots of blood running out of a large cut in my arm. Likewise, I don't need a PhD in acoustic physics to recognize that not being able to hear anything but low rumbles at certain spots on the dance floor implies poor sound quality in the venue. |
My point in asking if he was self-taught was that he's coming down on Geroin like he's never made a mistake, or never been corrected. Everyone is wrong from time to time, but that's no reason to stay out of a conversation. If all you hear is low rumbles in certain spots, then you're right - that's poor quality - but it's an issue that can be tuned out by using an EQ...this is a good example of the modes I was talking about. You might (I hope) be able to tell you're bleeding, but are you qualified to say which vein is ruptured or suggest a technical approach to fix it? No.
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Absolutely correct. You have reinforced the argument against good sound quality at Guv. The way these (and other) parameters are currently set at Guv results in poor sound quality.
In any case, there are usually certain spots in a club where quality is good. I always try to find them, but it's nice being anywhere in the place and not have to worry about stepping one meter to my left and not being able to hear the track anymore. |
Yes, I have reinforced the arguement of poor sound at Guvvy, which was me supporting Geroin's suspicions about the room. There are a lot more factors to the deficiencies there than just the amount of energy being soaked up by patrons and bouncing around in the rafters. If G thinks that Guv is a 7.5/10, that's their opinion, which by defenition can't be wrong. I think hard metal is sonically revolting, an assault on the senses...that doesn't make me wrong and doesn't mean that I should stop talking about it. |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
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nice post
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
nice post
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| catinthehat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
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You're saying the same things you said in your first post. You're making sweeping generalizations, faulty analogies, unsubstantiated assumptions and just overall bad logic.
The one thing I'll speak to in your second post is that I totally agree with you when you say that sound quality changes with one's location in a club. (I argue that the very fact that there are good and poor 'spots' in a club speaks directly to the sound quality in the club as a whole. If you're debating which airline has the most comfortable seating, just because the first class seats are comfy doesn't mean the airline has comfortable seating in general) |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by catinthehat
You're saying the same things you said in your first post. |
That's because I'm right...I can see how it was confusing.
Also, you didn't sound smart enough to notice so, good job on stepping it up.;) |
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