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| Cro_Addict |
Ok so here is a kind of dumb question.
I finally got a pair of CDJ-800MK2s....which I LOVE BTW!
First question...How accurate is the BPM display?
Main question...
When trying to beat match...how do you know if you actually are off or if you just didnt push the play button at the right time on track 2? Also when the beats are off and you hear 2 of them...what is an easy way to differentiate between the beat of the outgoing and incoming track...so i can know which one is actually faster and which one is slower?
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| CSB |
"B'loom and l'Boom
The easiest way to work out whether your tune is playing too fast or too slow, is to introduce a volume difference. So, we need to change the mixer settings slightly, so they're similar to what you hear in your headphones (when using headphone mix). It's simple - keep the cross fader in the middle, but the channel fader for the tune that you just leave playing should be set to around 50%-75% of the one you're trying to start in time.
What this means is that when you play the two tunes, one of them (the one you want to start, which is the CUED track) will be louder than the other one (the LIVE track). So, the CUED track plays it's loud bass beats as a BOOM and the LIVE track plays its beats as a softer, loom sound. And this is how you gauge what's going on.
* When you hear B'loom - that sound is created because the Boom comes before the loom sound.
* When you hear l'Boom - that sound is created because the loom sound comes before the Boom sound
It'll probably take a few attempts at starting your tunes and really listening to the sound of the bass beats to be able to hear these sounds, and properly identify B'loom or l'Boom - and you may want to play with how loud the LIVE track is playing in case that helps too - but believe me, once you hear it, you'll always hear it (kinda like looking at a Magic Eye picture. It takes ages to learn the knack of seeing the hidden image, but once you manage it, you always manage it).
B'loom and l'Boom
An added guide to this is just to listen before hand to the sounds of the bassdrums. When you know that the CUED track has a certain sound to its bass drum, or the LIVE track has a certain sound to its bass drum, it's a lot easier to hear what beat is coming first. Paul Van Dyk, for example, uses unique bass drums in the tunes he makes - so it's always easy to tell whether a track is running too fast or too slow - just listen for when his bass drum occurs. "
hope that helps you.
But yeah If i were you i wouldn't rely on the BPM display, just rely on your ears to see if it sounds right. And yeah about the whole pushing cue at the right time, thats part of the whole beat matching thing. if you had gotten vinyl first, then you would know that you have to start on the beat so that its even. I dunno hard to explain. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| ignore the BPM counters, even put tape over them. you'll never learn anything if you pay attention to a counter. |
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| callme:gsmile: |
also ignore the crossfaders..only dj's use those.
count the bpm's yourself and label your :) |
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| david.michael |
That's a nice method CSB. Good post.
However, for me, I simply listen in my headphones and move the incoming track forward. If it gets worse, then it needs to go the other direction. That's just the quickest way for me. :) |
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| Shini |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
That's a nice method CSB. Good post.
However, for me, I simply listen in my headphones and move the incoming track forward. If it gets worse, then it needs to go the other direction. That's just the quickest way for me. :) |
that is how I do it, I found it really hard to work out which one was b'loom and l'boom so I just move the platter one way and if it gets worse go the other way. if I have to move the platter again after about 5 seconds then I change the pitch slider a little in the direction that I keep having to make the platter adjustments.
after awhile though you will just get a feel for what is happening and will start to know almost by instinct. |
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| stan229 |
| Since i mix on cdjs.. i try to get the right pitch % adjustment first and then play with the platter.. if i notice that i need to adjust the platter to often and i cant hold the mix tightly for around 20-30seconds or so with absolutely minimal movement.. i adjust the tempo... you dont even think about it after a while of doing it |
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| Zild |
| Cue it. Use the jog to fix your cue if you were off a little bit. Then wait for the songs to fall out of time. Adjust the cue track a little bit with the jog wheel. If it sounds better then you're adjusting the right way if it sounds worse try adjusting the other way. After a few years of this you start to get a better feel of what the relative tempos of the songs you are mixing together are, so you kinda automatically know. |
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| Andryuha |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
ignore the BPM counters, even put tape over them. you'll never learn anything if you pay attention to a counter. |
agreed. Besides, the counters will not display the same number on both decks (most of the time) even if tunes are perfectly matched. |
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| sleepydragon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Andryuha
agreed. Besides, the counters will not display the same number on both decks (most of the time) even if tunes are perfectly matched. |
the mk2's are actually pretty good. |
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| callme:gsmile: |
| your ears are better..never rely solely on one method, because you simply won't always have the luxury on playing on the same gear. If you want to learn, might as well learn it properly. |
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| sleepydragon |
| well you actually have to move the slider about 0.6% to change one bpm so its impossible for them to be that acurate anyway |
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