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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
I still don't understand what you're getting at, lol. Maybe I read your post too fast. :/ |
I don't watch much television. But here I am stuck at work on Christmas Eve. As I expressed in the Christmas Hatred thread, this holiday doesn't have much personal worth to myself, as I am not religious. But that doesn't prevent it from being meaningful to others. My ideology is utterly crushed by the sheer number of people out there who see value in such a day - as well as my activity on this night. the hotel is dead. We have about 124 rooms and only 10 of them have people in them. The restaurant/bar is closed. I have nothing to do but watch television and write long-winded, yet generally meaningless posts on TA, not dissimilar to a spirit5 rant. so you see, the beliefs of the many have a direct effect upon my own - whether I believe it or not has little bearing upon whether it exists or occurs. In this sense, I am an individual only so far as I let the collective affect me - but this decision is not mine - I am affected regardless.
With that in mind, I was watching CNN earlier [here in my hotel lobby, as I am bored, like I said] and they had a sort of war-story marathon going. People were elevated to heroic status, posthumously and otherwise, by taking action or exhibiting uncommon deeads in foreign countries. These people, so far as society is concerned, have elevated themselves as individuals worthy of example and trinkets comemmorating their actions. But they did such things in what is considered 'selflessness' - rescuing the wounded, taking shrapnel defending another, eating a roadside bomb (yeah, because that was voluntary). So they are only as strong so far as society is benefited. If this is what we honour, then there is no true strength in being an individual - only an illusion designed to benefit the whole. But the 'whole' that we know is humanity - and it cannot last forever in its current form. to truly change or affect, we must destroy a natural order - and that is an impossibility. |
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| Silky Johnson |
Sure, that's one way to look at it. ;)
I think you should take a break from "thinking", and just "be".  |
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| david.sound |
| i think i'm falling for you jenny |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Don't touch me, queer. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Strength is just being able to do stuff that lots of other people can't. |
I can bend my thumb backwards - I have twice the range of motion/direction that most people have in that very joint. I suppose this makes me strong, then?
Or is strength, as an ideal, only a determination so far as the individual chooses to control? We elevate those with more control over themselves. Moderation seems an element that is paragon in our consideration of those who are to be elevated. But I am hard-pressed to think of a single person whom I would consider as being a paragon in all respects. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I can bend my thumb backwards - I have twice the range of motion/direction that most people have in that very joint. I suppose this makes me strong, then? |
Strong in the domain of joint flexibility, yes. It doesn't make much sense to speak of "strength" without a context, since people who are strong at one thing can be very weak at others... |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
But I am hard-pressed to think of a single person whom I would consider as being a paragon in all respects. |
Would you want to?? Sounds like a boring ing robot to me. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Sure, that's one way to look at it. ;) |
This is why I've posted this thread. I am inviting discussion, yo.
| quote: | | I think you should take a break from "thinking", and just "be". |
Well, as I expressed in the original post - is being a mere animal really such a bad thing?
I've been reading a lot of de Sade's essays lately. His Nature As a Destructive Principle ideology appeals very much to my cynicism. :p
It basically states that the very nature of man is to deny his very nature. That the complexity of the ego lies in the fact that it even exists. Man is a complicated being so long as he denies himself and remains a man - that this reversion to an animal being - perhaps induced by consciousness or by chemical arrangement - is a departure from the very things which nature made us. And that, in itself, is to deny nature in the first place. |
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| Silky Johnson |
So we agree then?
LoL, I'm sorry...I'm just not as articulate as you are. :p |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Would you want to?? Sounds like a boring ing robot to me. |
But specialization is for insects, no?
It seems a common enough notion that we are each of us living contradictions - that we are each of us an amalgmation of strengths and weaknesses. But to second guess the very nature of a strength or a weakness, I see only weakness and the self-delusion that strength is something of value to either oneself or oneself in terms of social consideration; quite contrary to there actually existing a 'master' mentality. |
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| Silky Johnson |
For real though, no I don't think being a "mere animal" is such a bad thing. I've even said many times how I think our "intelligence" is a curse.
But I don't care to elaborate on that right now. It's all so useless anyways. I'm ing sick of talking about stuff. I'm 27 years old, it's time to move into my complacent phase.
edit: :toocool: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Strength is of value when competing for limited resources. |
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