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how is hilary more experienced than obama? (pg. 6)
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| Spacey Orange |
serious lol material:
| quote: | Polls continue to suggest that while voters prefer Mr. Obama as president, they still believe that Mrs. Clinton is a stronger leader.
Asked what kind of crises had tested Mrs. Clinton, her team cited her service on the Armed Services Committee, her trip to China when she said women’s rights are human rights, and her support from various military officers. |
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those are crisis? are her campaign workers really this stupid? :stongue: |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
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those are crisis? are her campaign workers really this stupid? :stongue: |
They're not stupid. The people that are stupid are the ones that'll believe that. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
Everything is relative - what kind of crises have tested John McCain politically?
I'd say the fact that Hillary is blindly hated by a good portion of the electorate and is still standing is a pretty good testament to her fortitude and ability to withstand crisis. Anyone who has actually looked at her record has to be impressed - her detractors will usually only resort to broad-based character attacks that have questionable merit. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
They're not stupid. The people that are stupid are the ones that'll believe that. |
don't get me wrong. people who would believe that are stupid too. ;) here is the definition of crisis
| quote: | 1. a stage in a sequence of events at which the trend of all future events, esp. for better or for worse, is determined; turning point.
2. a condition of instability or danger, as in social, economic, political, or international affairs, leading to a decisive change. |
her campaign workers said the following were crisis: service on the Armed Services Committee, her trip to China when she said women’s rights are human rights, and her support from various military officers.
not even by any stretch of the imagination are these even crisis. so yes, they are stupid or at the very least, unfamiliar with the english language.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Everything is relative - what kind of crises have tested John McCain politically?
I'd say the fact that Hillary is blindly hated by a good portion of the electorate and is still standing is a pretty good testament to her fortitude and ability to withstand crisis. Anyone who has actually looked at her record has to be impressed - her detractors will usually only resort to broad-based character attacks that have questionable merit. |
i think the only true crisis that she dealt with as a first lady was probably the monica lewinsky affair. as a senator it was probably senator was 9/11.
pot (something) kettle (something) black
to be fair i really don't think neither candidates have much familiarity with crisis. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
Here was the press release by the way:
| quote: | Daily Talking Points - Saturday, March 1, 2008
READY TO BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF
* Hillary is ready to answer a 3 a.m. phone call to the White House when something goes wrong in the world. She is ready to be Commander-in-Chief.
* When that phone rings, there’s no time for speeches or for on-the-job training.
* Hillary represented America in more than 80 countries, worked to open borders in Kosovo, and bring peace to Northern Ireland.
* Hillary stood up in China for human rights, serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee and is the only Senator on the U.S. Joint Forces Command’s Transformation Advisory Group. That’s why she has been endorsed by over 25 generals and admirals. |
I'd forgotten about her work in N. Ireland, and I would certainly say that serving on the Senate Armed Services committee in the midst of a multiple front war is relevant "crisis" experience. |
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| donnybrasco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I'd forgotten about her work in N. Ireland, and I would certainly say that serving on the Senate Armed Services committee in the midst of a multiple front war is relevant "crisis" experience. |
Hilary's biggest liability is her personality. She rubs people the wrong way, and that's why she's going to lose. It's good old-fashioned voter gut instinct at it's best.
You can talk academics all day long, but it won't change the fact that people just don't trust the bitch.
She's finished. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Here was the press release by the way:
I'd forgotten about her work in N. Ireland, and I would certainly say that serving on the Senate Armed Services committee in the midst of a multiple front war is relevant "crisis" experience. |
i don't agree with you that her service is a 'relevant crisis experience', but for argument's sake let's assume that it's relevant. that her service on the committee 'in the midst of a multiple front war' was her shining moment. how would you defend this:
| quote: | Records: Senators who OK'd war didn't read key report
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A new biography of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has once again raised the issue of whether members of Congress read a key intelligence report before the 2002 vote to authorize war in Iraq.
Clinton did not read the 90-page, classified National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, according to "Her Way: The Hopes and Ambitions of Hillary Rodham Clinton."
For members of Congress to read the report, they had to go to a secure location on Capitol Hill. The Washington Post reported in 2004 that no more than six senators and a handful of House members were logged as reading the document.
The Clinton biography, written by New York Times reporters Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr., summarizes the intelligence estimate, which combined reports of U.S. intelligence agencies about Iraq.
Clinton, a New York Democrat, was briefed on the intelligence report multiple times, a spokesperson told CNN.
Clinton is one of six presidential candidates who were in the Senate in October 2002 who voted for the resolution to authorize the invasion of Iraq.
Candidate and then-Sen. John Edwards "read and was briefed on the intelligence" while sitting on the Senate Intelligence Committee, a spokesman said. Edwards has called his vote for the 2002 resolution a mistake. Another Democratic candidate, Sen. Joseph Biden, said he read the report.
A spokesman for presidential candidate Sen. Christopher Dodd said the Connecticut Democrat did not read the document, either.
Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain of Arizona also voted in favor of the resolution without reading the report.
A spokesman for McCain told CNN his boss was briefed on the document "numerous times, and read the executive summary."
Other candidates were not available for comment Monday. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
Hilary's biggest liability is her personality. She rubs people the wrong way, and that's why she's going to lose. It's good old-fashioned voter gut instinct at it's best.
You can talk academics all day long, but it won't change the fact that people just don't trust the bitch.
She's finished. |
I wasn't aware we were voting for best friend-in-chief. |
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| donnybrasco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I wasn't aware we were voting for best friend-in-chief. |
I'm just schooling you on the way it is, my friend. Many voters vote more with their gut than anything else.
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But this has no affect on our bet anyway, so it's just a side show at this point, as far as I'm concerned. :D
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But I will say that the most interesting aspect of the Clinton failure is that the Clinton's are some of the best campaigners who ever lived. They wouldn't have made the bid for the Presidency had they not done their homework and research, and thus firmly believed that they were going to win.
But alas, Hilary is no Bill. Therein lies on critical difference. Once she was exposed more to the general public, the ideal of Hilary for President, versus the reality of how she appears, is what sunk them.
I too would rather have Obama than her for President...if I was voting Democrat, that is ;) |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | | Mr. Obama took aim on Wednesday at Mrs. Clinton’s claim that she is a seasoned hand in foreign policy. “What exactly is this foreign experience that she’s claiming?” he said. “I know she talks about visiting 80 countries. It is not clear. Was she negotiating treaties or agreements or was she handling crises during this period of time? |
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looks like he's finally getting it. |
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| shapes |
| Obama is Epic Fail |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by shapes
Obama is Epic Fail |
You've totally convinced me with your sound logic and reasoning. 
You should certainly post here more often with insightful posts like these. |
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