You guys are totally missing the point - which was by the way, that we know jack about 'Global Warming' or 'Global Cooling'.
We do know the Earth goes in cycles and no amount of scare-mongering is going to change that fact...
Krypton
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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
You guys are totally missing the point - which was by the way, that we know jack about 'Global Warming' or 'Global Cooling'.
We do know the Earth goes in cycles and no amount of scare-mongering is going to change that fact...
Awesome, so did you find that peer-reviewed article yet? All we got were tree rings are no so accurate for finding out historical temps in Scandinavia.
Shakka
Interesting approach...
Fir3start3r
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Originally posted by Shakka
Interesting approach...
I know I've posted this months ago but I still like watching it - thanks for posting it again Shakka.
Krypton
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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I know I've posted this months ago but I still like watching it - thanks for posting it again Shakka.
So you don't believe there is global warming, but you agree we should invest in renewable energy? Explain that one.
Or are you one of those who just doesn't believe in human caused global warming? This, despite our documented changing of the chemistry of the atmosphere with such effects as acid rain and desertification.
I was listening to some Republican radio jock talking about how little our impact on the biosphere is. These guys are trully the ones who have an agenda behind their anti-science rhetoric. Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity. These idiots get me pissed...:whip:
jerZ07002
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Originally posted by Krypton
So you don't believe there is global warming, but you agree we should invest in renewable energy? Explain that one.
Or are you one of those who just doesn't believe in human caused global warming? This, despite our documented changing of the chemistry of the atmosphere with such effects as acid rain and desertification.
I was listening to some Republican radio jock talking about how little our impact on the biosphere is. These guys are trully the ones who have an agenda behind their anti-science rhetoric. Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity. These idiots get me pissed...:whip:
I'm definitely an environmentalist who believes in human accelerated global warming. However, a person can believe in renewable energy and not global warming. Renewable energy has many other benefits:
(1)It's renewable, which obviously means the source will never run out;
(2) It's not from the middle east, meaning we can disassociate ourselves as much as possible from the issues of the Muslim world and the greater Palestinian conflict;
(3) It's local production means job creation and reduction in our trade deficit [1/5 of our imports are fuel related];
(4) Enough renewable energy sources would provide downward pressure on other prices, such as plastics and jet fuel(which obviously will still be necessary);
(5) It's better on the environment, notwithstanding the global warming debate;
(6) more investment in renewable sources at a faster pace will ultimately result in greater efficiencies sooner which will eventually drive the cost to below fossil fuel costs as the supply of fossil fuels decreases;
(7) Lastly (the last i could think of) which is quasi-related to (2) - but certainly different, we will be less susceptible to foreign influence because of the need for energy supply (which has driven far too many conflicts in the 20th - 21st century)
Fir3start3r
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Originally posted by Krypton
So you don't believe there is global warming, but you agree we should invest in renewable energy? Explain that one.
Or are you one of those who just doesn't believe in human caused global warming? This, despite our documented changing of the chemistry of the atmosphere with such effects as acid rain and desertification.
I was listening to some Republican radio jock talking about how little our impact on the biosphere is. These guys are trully the ones who have an agenda behind their anti-science rhetoric. Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity. These idiots get me pissed...:whip:
I'm all for renewable energy and pollution control (who wouldn't be?) however not convinced of human caused global warming.
Much like the argument in the video, because global changes in environment isn't an exact science, we can choose to do something or not (the YES or NO column).
The way I look at it, even though I'm not an Gore acolyte (Gorcolyte?), if I happen to purchase products or change my ways that happens to fight 'global warming' then it's a win on both sides of the fence and who's to argue that?
If I could afford to power my place with solar cells and LEDs, believe me, I'll right there in line...(I'm a tech guy come on!)
/was actually looking for solar powered LED address plaques for the house last night...
Shakka
How about this guy?!
LazFX
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Originally posted by Shakka
How about this guy?!
This guy needs to get major fundage!!! seriously, the US should pursue this and we can finally be rid of Middle Eastern oil and all of the ed up we have to endure, to get it.
occrider
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Originally posted by Shakka
Interesting approach...
It's interesting, but that concept alone doesn't quite stand up to detailed scrutinity. What the videography is essentially stating is that because the "fatty" tail of the negative occurrence significantly outweighs the "slim" tail of the positive then that alone dictates what action we should take. The fatty tails I don't disagree with. However, much like any other business decision, you need to do an analysis to determine the frequency AND severity of both scenarios. It's simply foolish to budget infinite resources for low probability events.
That being said, the continued argument against anthropological global climate change is becoming analagous with the arguments against evolution. I mean really, slice and dice however you can try to support your ideological thumbprint but it's simply grasping at straws at this point. Global cooling ... really?
DJ Shibby
Long ago man developed a powerful tried-and-true vaccine against the environment itself: Exodus.
Shakka
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Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Long ago man developed a powerful tried-and-true vaccine against the environment itself: Exodus.
What does parting the Red Sea have to do with anything?;)
