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How do you know you exist? (pg. 2)
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| Lira |
Did you see I posted a radio show about this book in your thread, Rob? |
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| kadomony |
| i can doubt the existence of any other thing but me, by which i mean my consciousness. all other aspects of my body could be an illusion. but that part of me which thinks must exist. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Did you see I posted a radio show about this book in your thread, Rob? |
Yeah - it was a while back, right? I don't think I saw it until it was long past. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
So you assume that whatever can think exists? |
of course.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
What about things that don't think, so they exist? How is thinking a proof for your existence? |
please explain to me how something can think without existing.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Thinking, in and of itself is not something. Wouldn't you agree that existence is something tangible? |
yes, of course. thinking is tangible because of the physical necessities that underlie the process of thought - such as a brain and a body to support that brain. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Yeah - it was a while back, right? |
Yup :) |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
of course.
please explain to me how something can think without existing.
yes, of course. thinking is tangible because of the physical necessities that underlie the process of thought - such as a brain and a body to support that brain. |
You assume that existence requires thought. Isn't that self-evident?
Isn't thought the organization of our perceptions? Things which don't exist are also capable of organization. So what's the difference between (x^2 = -1) and (x^2 = 1)?? |
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| Ghost Raver |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
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I guess you don't. |
:stongue: :haha: |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
You assume that existence requires thought. Isn't that self-evident?
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no, i assume that thought requires the existence of some kind of "thinker" in this case, the organic brain.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Isn't thought the organization of our perceptions? Things which don't exist are also capable of organization. So what's the difference between (x^2 = -1) and (x^2 = 1)?? |
you've lost me. is that a quadratic equation? its been so long... and what does this have to do with the supporting mechanism(s) necessary for thought? |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Self referential loops FTW! |
i always wanted to cite myself in my own writing... |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
So what's the difference between (x^2 = -1) and (x^2 = 1)?? |
That x in x2 = -1 must be an imaginary number, whereas x in x2 = 1 must be a real number. But, are you trying to imply that real numbers somehow exist in a way that imaginary numbers don't? Are you comparing our existence to that of numbers? |
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