I cannot believe the higher ups in the Dem party are allowing this twat to do this.....
what joke she has become
LazFX
Poll shows Obama gaining, holding steady in key states
Posted: 10:24 PM ET April 15th 2008
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(CNN) — Despite a weekend of negative coverage following his controversial remarks about some small town Americans, Barack Obama appears to be holding steady or making gains in the next three primary states, according to a just released poll.
Most surprisingly, the new LA Times/Bloomberg poll shows Obama ahead of Hillary Clinton by 5 points in Indiana (40 to 35 percent), a state with demographics that favor the New York senator and one where other recent polls have shown her with a lead.
The poll also shows Clinton only holds a 5 point lead in Pennsylvania (48 to 43 percent). That margin is among the slimmest measured between to the two candidates and is significantly less than the double digit lead Clinton held there two weeks ago.
In North Carolina, the new survey shows Obama with a 13 point lead (47-34 percent), a margin that is consistent with other recent polls in that state.
Pennsylvania votes April 22 while Indiana and North Carolina vote two weeks later on May 6. Should Clinton win in Pennsylvania, some political observers have said she must score a victory in at least one of the May 6 states to make a compelling argument to continue her presidential campaign.
The poll was conducted over five days (April 10-14), the majority of which came after Obama's now famous "bitter" comments first surfaced.
WOOT WOOT!!!
hardcore trancer
John Stewart last night did a awesome job on this :D
Lilith
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Let's stop for a moment and ask ourselves a question: was he wrong?
No and I'm wondering what he has to be apologetic for really. God and a Gun aren't really going to solve problems at a national level and make much of a difference to a persons empowerment.
All a gun gives you is an ability to kill, it doesn't dissuade or alleviate anything and frankly, spend the money on education rather than ammunition if you really want to make that much difference to your life. Course, if you live in a state of fear or circumstances where it is too dangerous to exist without a gun, then its time to move before someone with more friends with guns kills you. (I'm not proud or brave, I was in a country like that once, so I ran away before I got my ass shot off)
This facet of firearm ownership is lost on several generations of people that have not had to kill to retain ownership of their country and has since diminished to the point of picking over sentences and paragraphs in abridged constitutional documents- rather than any real need, just like you really don't need to hunt either with more square metres of malls and supermarkets than anywhere on earth and one of the largest armed forces.
Get a can opener if you need to feed yourself, its cheaper and people don't look at you worried when you have one in your pocket.
'Faith' is the last bastion of the damned, a vanguard against the slings and arrows of their own stupidity that are undoubtedly a consequence caused by firing their ammo up in the air in order to butcher migrating birdlife for fun and amusement and being beaned by it is 'gods will' or maybe just buying a lot of crap they can't afford and that 100" LCD TV you thought you could have because you deserve it really doesn't look so great at 24% interest a month.
'Gods will' disposes of an awful lot of personal accountability really for your own or anyone else's actions, which depending on how damn terrible they really are might cause people to throw their hands up in the air in desperation, moving onto the next level of enlightenment by enrolling into the 'oh god save us for we are truly screwed' school of those bereft of any way to get the hell out of the mess they're in.
The leas of which is when the chief subscribes to the God told me to invade Iraq school which is in the death throes of being the worst military venture since, I guess Vietnam... maybe it does need to raise the question in the minds of many that Gods ideas are generally fairly crap and when invisible people tell you things in the middle of the night, it might be time to check into the shrink for some meds and a second opinion before pursing those ideas further.
On a slightly more formal note, if Obama gets in, then the US has a chance to perhaps lift itself out of the stagnation its in as a nation, electing another Clinton into office will just put the old (corrupt) guard back in power for a few more years to meander around until the smell of rot gets too bad to put up with.
It'll also show the world that the US is capable of growing as a people by electing a minority on the basis of his political merits rather than his skin colour, sure, he might not say what you want to hear but in all honesty, perhaps it needs to be said.
I'll personally stop bagging yanks for electing retarded wastrels frittering away daddy's money, B-Grade actors and jumped up public servant paper pushers as your elected head of state... Come on, that's got to be worth something to the national pride hasn't it? :D
Alls said and done, he can't make it much worse can he? :nervous:
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by Lilith
On a slightly more formal note, if Obama gets in, then the US has a chance to perhaps lift itself out of the stagnation its in as a nation, electing another Clinton into office will just put the old (corrupt) guard back in power for a few more years to meander around until the smell of rot gets too bad to put up with.
It'll also show the world that the US is capable of growing as a people by electing a minority on the basis of his political merits rather than his skin colour, sure, he might not say what you want to hear but in all honesty, perhaps it needs to be said.
Couldn't agree with you more on this note. We complain when politicians lie or are otherwise dishonest, and then harp on the first guy who says something uncomfortable. In any case, I think you might be interested in this post I came across the other day:
I doubt it'll be enough to repair 6 decades of damage in a couple of terms of office but it might be enough to have at least a change in the US which will flow on and knock the post WW2 self appointed policeman 'if you're like us we help' down a notch to the point its at least tolerable. Anti-US sentiment is at the highest its been, if it keeps on going it'll reach a critical mass sooner or later where even the more tolerant allies are completely fed up with the warmongering and double standards that are going on.
People don't want to hear that military training and armaments are easier to get than it is to buy farming, education and communication supplies from the US. To some degree that also keeps them in a job as the self appointed democratic watchdog of the world with the initial sales of arms and training making a healthy profit in Africa and no commitment to clean up any mess as a result of that, because the UN basically doesn't give a stuff about Africa really. Its a non-issue and completely unprofitable venture to sell stabilising elements when destabilisation and exploitation net much more to the developed countries. That's not to say the Russians an Chinese aren't also equally accountable either, but if you're going to take the moral high ground in such matters as a point of defence of your agenda, it might be more credible not to be rolling in the mud with the rest.
As always: such things start at home.
Assuming also that no one shoots him, I think he'd do a different job to other presidents which is not necessarily a bad thing.
Lebezniatnikov
I agree that it's important to not set expectations too high. He'll represent a change in the type of face America presents to the world which is definitely a start, and individual policies might reflect that as well, but let's wait and see if the over-arching principles of American foreign policy toward the developing world reflect any real change too. I worry a bit that there are people, particularly in parts of Africa though also here in the US, that anticipate a huge tangible difference in US development and human rights policy that might not really follow. Failure to meet their expectations could be worse than continuing down the same path of hypocrisy... as can kind of be shown by African politics in general. When Kibaki got elected President of Kenya expectations were so high that he couldn't possibly meet them even if he weren't corrupt - and his failure to meet expectations erased any real improvements he may have made over the previous Moi regime.
I'm cautiously optimistic about an Obama presidency not so much because of him but because of the people he surrounds himself with. His chief foreign policy advisor (and likely nomination for Secretary of State) is Susan Rice, a woman whose specialty is Africa and who is a fierce fighter for morality in development and conflict resolution policy. And Samantha Power has done her work on multilateral humanitarian intervention and genocide issues. We'll see though... I have a hard time seeing the United States get tough on states in any objective, consistent manner...
jerZ07002
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I agree that it's important to not set expectations too high. He'll represent a change in the type of face America presents to the world which is definitely a start, and individual policies might reflect that as well, but let's wait and see if the over-arching principles of American foreign policy toward the developing world reflect any real change too. I worry a bit that there are people, particularly in parts of Africa though also here in the US, that anticipate a huge tangible difference in US development and human rights policy that might not really follow. Failure to meet their expectations could be worse than continuing down the same path of hypocrisy... as can kind of be shown by African politics in general. When Kibaki got elected President of Kenya expectations were so high that he couldn't possibly meet them even if he weren't corrupt - and his failure to meet expectations erased any real improvements he may have made over the previous Moi regime.
I'm cautiously optimistic about an Obama presidency not so much because of him but because of the people he surrounds himself with. His chief foreign policy advisor (and likely nomination for Secretary of State) is Susan Rice, a woman whose specialty is Africa and who is a fierce fighter for morality in development and conflict resolution policy. And Samantha Power has done her work on multilateral humanitarian intervention and genocide issues. We'll see though... I have a hard time seeing the United States get tough on states in any objective, consistent manner...
do you really think that even if susan rice becomes the secretary of state she will actually do much for africa? From the little i've read about her it seems her positions were specifically africa related. As secretary of state she would be responsible for US relations with every country. As far as US relations, Africa is about the least important of all continents. Simply based on a scale of importance, even if she has personal interests in africa, those interests would be sidelined for the interests of the US.
I'm just curious (since we all know how important africa is for you), when you evaluate the candidates, how important is this issue for you compared to other issues?
