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Can anyone enlighten me?? (pg. 3)
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
no seriously. shove that army up your arse.
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| sljiva |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, so, i consider good music to be impressionistic classical music and that all EDM is just y "unts unts" club music with no substance or whatsoever, and that you have also a y taste for listening to this "unts unts y music" and not to the holy impressionistic classical music of Debussy and Ravel, hows that? |
Well if you think all EDM is just y "unts unts" club music with no substance or whatsoever I don't care what music you're listening to, you're a ing idiot (don't get all offended, I'm not talking about you specifically). |
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| wotyzoid |
| I think Woods is as techy as trance can get.:p |
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| ToxicGreenWaste |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, so, i consider good music to be impressionistic classical music and that all EDM is just y "unts unts" club music with no substance or whatsoever, and that you have also a y taste for listening to this "unts unts y music" and not to the holy impressionistic classical music of Debussy and Ravel, hows that? |
You're an idiot. Not in this scenario you're typing out, but as a human being with a mind. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by sljiva
Well if you think all EDM is just y "unts unts" club music with no substance or whatsoever I don't care what music you're listening to, you're a ing idiot (don't get all offended, I'm not talking about you specifically). |
Yes, it DOES matter what else are you listening to. Don't you still get it people? The human mind judges ALL things by comparison not in isolation. This is how relativity arises. There is no objective truth in preferences because taste derives from subjective first-person comparisons. This is true in everything, not only music, but unfortunately people fail to understand that, and this is why there is so much confusion in the world. Because everyone thinks that his/her own thing its the best one.
So, for a person with a broad taste who happens to be a composer and listens to the compositions of Debussy and Stravinsky, EDM is just another form of club music with catchy samples and simple-as-hell melodies that makes people move their asses, nothing more, nothing less. This holds true for him/her because thats what he/she gets from it. Having dwelled to the powerfull emotional compositions of the "Rite of Spring" and "Firebird", EDM is JUST cheap plastic sounds which will be played for a month or so to a club, only to be forgotten the day after). Is he/she correct? From HIS/HER point of view he/she is. Not from another person though, who has only be exposed to EDM and nothing else. Since the "comparison criteria" change, preferences and qualitative judgements change as well. (note that i'm not expressing any personal preferences here, its only hypothetical. Ofourse i have my own attitudes and preferences...).
A man dwelling in both lush forests full of trees and wastelands full of garbage, could feel that the lush forests which are full of fine trees, express the true beauty of this world (and that some trees are probably more beautiful in comparison to some other ones).
For another man though who have dwelled only in the wasteland and have never seen the lush forest and the trees, he/she would feel that the wasteland full of garbage is indeed good. This person, would eventually be a "wasteland expert", a specialist in distinquishing what he/she things as "good garbage" from the "bad garbage". He she would feel ecstatic of the garbage stench, he/she would also love how some of this garbage smells and eventually make this "selective garbage preference" part of him/herself, adopting strong attitudes towards some of the garbage in comparison to others, criticising the other garbage lovers for not liking the "good-smelling garbage" that he/she likes.
He/She would eventually live happy in this wasteland, never understanding how a lush forest full of trees feels,looks, smells and sounds like. Oblivious and blind to anything else other than his/her small smelly home, he/she eventually be laughed by the "lush forest-full of trees" inhabitants, who in turn could be laughed by some other forest full of trees inhabitants for not showing preferences to the same trees, who in turn could be laughed by the inhabitants living "in the sky full of clouds"... |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by ToxicGreenWaste
You're an idiot. Not in this scenario you're typing out, but as a human being with a mind. |
Your name says it all about your "overall quality" mate...:stongue: |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Having dwelled to the powerfull emotional compositions of the "Rite of Spring" and "Firebird", EDM is JUST cheap plastic sounds which will be played for a month or so to a club, only to be forgotten the day after). |
welcome to the 21st century?
that's just the way it's happened - art, music, architecture, packaging, relationships, businesses, families, etc
i prefer to live in my time and in my future
rite of spring, fantasie impromptu, firebird, etc will always be beautiful, but they will never happen again |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
welcome to the 21st century?
that's just the way it's happened - art, music, architecture, packaging, relationships, businesses, families, etc |
Oh what? "Club music" is 21st century's classical music?
:haha: :haha: :haha: |
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| nefardec |
haha no way (come on, give me the benefit of the doubt at least!)
disposable, plastic music is just the music of our time
just like we use disposable, plastic cups... |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Yes, it DOES matter what else are you listening to. Don't you still get it people? The human mind judges ALL things by comparison not in isolation. This is how relativity arises. There is no objective truth in preferences because taste derives from subjective first-person comparisons. This is true in everything, not only music, but unfortunately people fail to understand that, and this is why there is so much confusion in the world. Because everyone thinks that his/her own thing its the best one.
So, for a person with a broad taste who happens to be a composer and listens to the compositions of Debussy and Stravinsky, EDM is just another form of club music with catchy samples and simple-as-hell melodies that makes people move their asses, nothing more, nothing less. This holds true for him/her because thats what he/she gets from it. Having dwelled to the powerfull emotional compositions of the "Rite of Spring" and "Firebird", EDM is JUST cheap plastic sounds which will be played for a month or so to a club, only to be forgotten the day after). Is he/she correct? From HIS/HER point of view he/she is. Not from another person though, who has only be exposed to EDM and nothing else. Since the "comparison criteria" change, preferences and qualitative judgements change as well. (note that i'm not expressing any personal preferences here, its only hypothetical. Ofourse i have my own attitudes and preferences...).
A man dwelling in both lush forests full of trees and wastelands full of garbage, could feel that the lush forests which are full of fine trees, express the true beauty of this world (and that some trees are probably more beautiful in comparison to some other ones).
For another man though who have dwelled only in the wasteland and have never seen the lush forest and the trees, he/she would feel that the wasteland full of garbage is indeed good. This person, would eventually be a "wasteland expert", a specialist in distinquishing what he/she things as "good garbage" from the "bad garbage". He she would feel ecstatic of the garbage stench, he/she would also love how some of this garbage smells and eventually make this "selective garbage preference" part of him/herself, adopting strong attitudes towards some of the garbage in comparison to others, criticising the other garbage lovers for not liking the "good-smelling garbage" that he/she likes.
He/She would eventually live happy in this wasteland, never understanding how a lush forest full of trees feels,looks, smells and sounds like. Oblivious and blind to anything else other than his/her small smelly home, he/she eventually be laughed by the "lush forest-full of trees" inhabitants, who in turn could be laughed by some other forest full of trees inhabitants for not showing preferences to the same trees, who in turn could be laughed by the inhabitants living "in the sky full of clouds"... |
for a person who happens to be also a composer i beg to differ... melodies at general are not so hard to compose, the main thing that interest me the most in trance is the complex rhythm and the overall sounds that gives sinc illusions, the overall feeling that trance gives me i cant get nowhere else... and im listening to music all the time... muse, incubus, pink floyd, bach, choppin... whatever...
and i heard at some place something i think is quite true.. in tribes from africa and asia there are rituals, those rituals combine drumming and dancing to reach apipheny, they make a repetetive drumming and dances till they "see the light"... with no drugs btw...
sounds familiar? i belive so... |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
haha no way (come on, give me the benefit of the doubt at least!)
disposable, plastic music is just the music of our time
just like we use disposable, plastic cups... |
Fair enough! Its just funny when people use disposable and plastic cups and criticise other people for using plastic disposable cups of different colour or shape... |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vortex_SA
and i heard at some place something i think is quite true.. in tribes from africa and asia there are rituals, those rituals combine drumming and dancing to reach apipheny, they make a repetetive drumming and dances till they "see the light"... with no drugs btw... |
In my personal experience, (for what that is worth) this informal, primitive ecstatic state, achieved through rhythmic repetition and repetitive rhythm and physical exhortation is a much greater ecstasy than that which is provided by western classical music.
A comparison between the western classical tradition and this sort of native spiritual communion could be the difference between something like Chartres Cathedral and sitting under a clear blue sky (a native american sacred place for example). To me the sort of hyper-articulation found in gothic architecture is distracting and illusory...
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Fair enough! Its just funny when people use disposable and plastic cups and criticise other people for using plastic disposable cups of different colour or shape... |
i might drink from disposable cups but i try to reuse them again and again :p |
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