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TTC going on strike at midnight . (pg. 5)
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| mikester69 |
| Everyone needs to settle down here. It i what it is, and will be over soon. Read a book, go for a walk....RELAX! |
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| rabbitjoker |
This is insane.
In business if I tried something like this I would have no clients at all.
The TTC thinks because there are no alternatives they can play negotiation games with the public.
This union needs to be brought in line - and now. |
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| gummybear |
| back to work legislation in on it's way...so basically, the members have done nothing but create more hate for themselves.. |
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| Mortyman |
| So by striking, do TTC workers think they are going to get MORE respect from the public??? :wtf: Keep ing bitching about abuse to the drivers and all that ... guess what... I'm going to be TWICE as pissed off now! I think they're bringing this on themselves by these foolish actions. I predict reported abuse cases are going to triple after the first week workers have to go back to work. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
Everyone needs to settle down here. It i what it is, and will be over soon. Read a book, go for a walk....RELAX! |
Haha so easy to say when you have nothing planned :rolleyes: |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| Fire them all |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Haha so easy to say when you have nothing planned :rolleyes: |
gotta love the traffic situation getting down to the basketball and football games today!
I see Kinnear losing his position within the ATU as fallout from this .. that and the essential service mandate of transit. Maybe this is what they were ultimately trying to achieve in the end. Essential services, despite losing the ability to strike, supposedly have better packages.
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
back to work legislation in on it's way...so basically, the members have done nothing but create more hate for themselves.. |
So they say, but McGuinty promises a lot of things.
And again, this isn't about abuse to the drivers. Remember that the reason the union went on strike was because they thought the deal would only benefit the drivers. It's the union bosses and maintenance workers and bean counters that are causing all of the problems.
In the private sector, they'd all be fired. If a company were running an essential service and didn't fire them, there'd be no company left by next week, because all of the investors and partners would have pulled out. This is why I laugh when people tell me that said services need to be kept government-owned and run. |
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| MissK |
Before we take the blame off these individual TTC drivers, let me tell you a story about my experience on the TTC @ 12:00pm last night. Heading to the Shay's trance wedding, we were in the subway terminal when the an announcement came over, explaining the strike. With disbelief in my face a TTC operator walks over to me directly WITH A DIRTY SMURK ON HIS FACE and says we have to evacuate.
The smurk made me want to punch him in the eye. He was gaining pleasure from this.
These TTC drivers know they have a lot of power in their hands, and with no consideration for the public, they use this power.
Pett: I have worked for a union for three years, and I know first hand the workers in them do not deserve what they get. They ARE lazy. They walk on water.
It's sickening. It's just how unions are. Unions protect, but it's human nature to abuse this luxury.
I have no respect for this strike.
The Ear (Matt): Just wanted to comment on your literature: brilliant ;) |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
Timeline: America's Air-Traffic Controllers Strike
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Dwayne A. Threadford, a striking air-traffic controller, wears a provocative T-shirt while picketing the FAA, Aug. 4, 1981.
Voices From 1981
Listen: PATCO President Robert Poli accuses the Reagan administration of 'trying to break the union.'
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Listen: President Reagan gives strikers 48 hours to return to work or 'forfeit their jobs.'
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Listen: Assistant Attorney General Rudy Giuliani defends the Reagan administration's actions.
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Roger Ressmeyer/CORBIS
Striking air-traffic controllers picket outside of the FAA headquarters in Fremont, Calif., Aug. 4, 1981.
In August 1981, President Ronald Reagan fired thousands of unionized air-traffic controllers for illegally going on strike, an event that marked a turning point in labor relations in America, with lasting repercussions. In the decades before 1981, major work stoppages averaged around 300 per year; today, that number is fewer than 30. A look at key events before the strike, and after:
1968: The Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization is created.
February 1981: New contract negotiations open between PATCO and the Federal Aviation Administration, which employs the air-traffic controllers. Citing safety concerns, PATCO calls for a reduced 32-hour work week, a $10,000 pay increase for all air-traffic controllers and a better benefits package for retirement. Contract negotiations with the FAA stall.
Aug. 3, 1981: About 13,000 PATCO members go on strike after unsuccessful contract negotiations. In doing so, the union technically violates a 1955 law that bans strikes by government unions. (Several government unions had previously declared strikes without penalties.) President Ronald Reagan declares the PATCO strike a "peril to national safety" and orders the controllers back to work.
Reagan warns that striking is illegal for public employees, and that anyone who does not return to work within 48 hours will be terminated. A federal judge finds PATCO President Robert Poli to be in contempt of court, and the union is ordered to pay a $1,000 fine for each day its members are on strike. About 7,000 flights are canceled.
Aug. 5, 1981: Most striking air-traffic controllers are fired. Reagan bans them from ever being rehired by the FAA. They are initially replaced by controllers, supervisors and staff personnel not participating in the strike and in some cases, by military controllers.
Aug. 17, 1981: The FAA begins accepting applications for new air-traffic controllers.
Oct. 22, 1981: The Federal Labor Relations Authority de-certifies PATCO. Later, new air-traffic controllers, hired in the wake of the strike, organize a new union to represent them, the National Air Traffic Controllers Association.
June 19, 1987: NATCA is certified as the sole bargaining unit for air-traffic controllers employed by the FAA.
Aug. 12, 1993: President Clinton ends the prohibition on rehiring any air-traffic controller who went on strike in 1981. (To date, the FAA has rehired about 850 PATCO strikers.)
Oct. 3, 1996: Congress passes the Federal Aviation Reauthorization Act, which codifies NATCA's ability to bargain collectively with the FAA for wages and personnel matters. |
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| DigiNut |
Jay - the problem is that this strike isn't illegal. If the TTC were properly classified as an essential service, then it would be illegal.
That's what McGuinty should be doing (though I somehow doubt he'll have the stones to go that far). If that happened, and they still continued to strike, only then could these people be fired. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
That's what McGuinty should be doing (though I somehow doubt he'll have the stones to go that far). If that happened, and they still continued to strike, only then could these people be fired. |
if the union continues to keep this up, i think with the mounting public pressure, it just might happen
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