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Wright speaks (pg. 3)
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
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This is crazy talk. First of all, Dean included both candidates to avoid the perception of taking sides. More than one superdelegate has been criticized for calling on Hillary to drop out - Dean is clear that he just wants to move on to the general, not pick on a particular candidate.
Second, how in the world does this constitute punishment that is going to force him out of the race? So his pastor said something offensive. That's enough to force the leading candidate to stop running? Because a guy Obama is friends with said something uncomfortable? If you read the speech there was a lot of truth to what Wright said, just delivered in a smarmy package. But it's true that no two people, whether strangers, enemies, friends, or family members, will ever agree on, so it stands to reason that some differences may be large.
There is a reason this is a story with resonance, and it's not because it's substantive and it's not because the media wants it to continue. The fact of the matter is that this story keeps rolling because people go "oh my goodness, Obama may not survive this character attack - racists have a real reason to hate him now. Maybe I should vote for someone else." Instead, people should be saying "so? How is this relevant to his ability to be Commander-in-Chief? It's not? Ok, next issue please." |
You're not wrong, but the problem is not in the details. The problem is its even an issue. It makes Obama controversial. It creates a problem to talk about and for retarded ABC hosts to ask questions about. The voters aren't going to see through this they're going to see republican messages that try to associate 9/11 with Saddam. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
You're not wrong, but the problem is not in the details. The problem is its even an issue. It makes Obama controversial. It creates a problem to talk about and for retarded ABC hosts to ask questions about. The voters aren't going to see through this they're going to see republican messages that try to associate 9/11 with Saddam. |
Right - my point is that if people stop taking the media's cue on this and acting like it is a controversy, it more or less ceases to be a controversy. Because when it boils down to it, what is controversial about having a friend, or even a mentor, who sometimes says crazy you don't agree with? |
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| josh4 |
| ^ Which is my point: "people" won't do that, at least not on their own. You're fooling yourself if you think the media will do anything but give it complete and constant coverage. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Right - my point is that if people stop taking the media's cue on this and acting like it is a controversy, it more or less ceases to be a controversy. Because when it boils down to it, what is controversial about having a friend, or even a mentor, who sometimes says crazy you don't agree with? |
I agreed with you on most of your points in Page 2 but it's wishful thinking for people to just SEE BEYOND the media. The average American is getting their news once a day on the radio or evening news or AOL.com headline. They hear or see a headline and hear some sound bytes from Wright and that's all you need to scare an entire population into thinking Obama's the candidate of Hope or Change. All this talk about racism, racial tension, Reverend Wright, ethnic slurs, etc., is making the average American wonder WHERE this "change" or "hope" is... it feels like the 60s again! Not saying this is how I feel. I've, as you said, not taken the media's cue, it's really not too much of an issue for me. But, I think you're giving Americans more credit than they deserve. They're not on the blogs or news websites scouring all the details, but know the bare details of the situation and that's enough to make them think twice about November. Whether Hillary were not in the race still, McCain's laughing right now at how self-destructive Obama's campaign is becoming. |
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| HardTranceProd |
BTW, can someone tell me how to pronounce the word "divisive"?
Obama said it lots of times in his speech, and he pronounced it "div-EE-sive." I always thought it was "div-AI-sive." |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
BTW, can someone tell me how to pronounce the word "divisive"?
Obama said it lots of times in his speech, and he pronounced it "div-EE-sive." I always thought it was "div-AI-sive." |
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/divisive
you can get audio pronunciation here |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
BTW, can someone tell me how to pronounce the word "divisive"?
Obama said it lots of times in his speech, and he pronounced it "div-EE-sive." I always thought it was "div-AI-sive." |
Well, every presidential candidate's gotta have their "fun-word"...... Bush had "nucular" haha... |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
I agreed with you on most of your points in Page 2 but it's wishful thinking for people to just SEE BEYOND the media. The average American is getting their news once a day on the radio or evening news or AOL.com headline. They hear or see a headline and hear some sound bytes from Wright and that's all you need to scare an entire population into thinking Obama's the candidate of Hope or Change. All this talk about racism, racial tension, Reverend Wright, ethnic slurs, etc., is making the average American wonder WHERE this "change" or "hope" is... it feels like the 60s again! Not saying this is how I feel. I've, as you said, not taken the media's cue, it's really not too much of an issue for me. But, I think you're giving Americans more credit than they deserve. They're not on the blogs or news websites scouring all the details, but know the bare details of the situation and that's enough to make them think twice about November. Whether Hillary were not in the race still, McCain's laughing right now at how self-destructive Obama's campaign is becoming. |
You've gotta be the change you wish to see brother. :p
Seriously, I just think that if people stop giving the media credit for influencing people's opinions it will cease to be as relevant. Just look at FoxNews - a committed group of people ignored Fox as irrelevant and the rest of the country soon followed. Today Fox is on the decline in terms of ratings, and it is more or less accepted that it carries a slanted view (as can be seen by the Democratic candidates refusing to go on Fox until just this week).
And before Q jumps in to defend Fox, I would just add that 88% of Fox viewers voted for Bush... a higher proportion than that of self-described conservatives, evangelicals, Iraq War supporters, and libertarians that went for Dubya. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
And before Q jumps in to defend Fox, |
show me where i've ever defended Foxnews other than calling out people who use the word as mindless pejorative and a cliche'd substitute for real thought. otherwise, stick to what you know.
anyhow... :o
it should be fairly evident now to anyone who has studied what Obama has said about himself and the people he keeps around him througgh his books, his speeches, interviews that one way or another, no matter what Wright says or intends or wants to imply, as far as race is concerned, Barack Obama is full of .
he's either full of about Wright, or full of about himself. could be both. again, as far as race and the politics of race is concerned.
in the end if you follow closely the words coming out his mouth you find out they're just words. |
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| Q5echo |
too funny and relevant not to post here
| quote: | 
Dear Barry:
I've been married to the same wonderful man -- Let's call him "Jeremiah" -- for 20 years. He's a great provider and we live in a beautiful home. He dotes on me and treats me like a queen; even after twenty years he still brings me little gifts and opens doors for me. Best yet, our sex life is fantastic! Jeremiah enjoys spicing things up with role-play, such as "Adolf and Eva," and we host weekly swinger get-togethers for like-minded couples. I know it probably must sound kind of kinky, but trust me - it keeps things interesting in "the boudoir."
That's where the trouble comes in. Lately it's been hard for Jeremiah to step out of his bedroom character, even when we have company over. For example, the other night I was hosting bunco night for the neighborhood girls and Jeremiah came goose-stepping into the rec room in his black leather swastika thong and riding crop, screaming "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!!"
Frankly, it was somewhat embarrassing. I've asked Jeremiah to "tone it down" and save the Nuremberg speeches for the privacy of swinger's night, but he refuses. Also, I think he may be clinically insane. I'm worried that if word gets out it may hurt our chances of getting membership in the country club. What should I do?
Confused in Hyde Park
Dear Confused:
Remember the old saying, "dance with the one who brung ya." Despite his kinks Jeremiah got you where you are today, and it's important for you to remain loyal to him until you're absolutely certain he has become a real liability for your country club application. If so, encourage Jeremiah to strip down to his thong and rant about Jews at the next country club cocktail party. Then you can feign heartbreak, and run crying for the bathroom. This will earn you the sympathy of the club admissions committee, and they will probably offer you an individual membership for your "courage." Jeremiah won't mind because he's obviously more into his Fuhrer fantasy than improving his golf swing. And trust me -- the make-up sex you have later will be unbelievable!
>LINK<
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Two questions:
1. How is Wright the only person speaking up for the Obama campaign right now? How is he even part of the campaign? Wright himself clearly stated that he's nothing but Obama's pastor. |
let me clarify. Wright is the only one right now that matters(as of yesterday). name me another spokesman for Obama, that one, isn't his own wife, two, isn't named Keith Olberman, and three, that anybody gives a damn about or knows who the they are. it's called default.
| quote: | | 2. Why did John McCain accept the endorsement of Rev. John Hagee? |
...cause it's irrelevant.
| quote: | | 1. "Going after" Obama, in the context of the speech (if you had watched or read it) clearly meant taking Obama's Administration to task for policies that go against the poor community, just as he has been taking the current Administration to task. It meant just because he knows Obama, he isn't going to give him a free pass if he makes it to the White House. Furthermore, he told Obama that personally. You really think this is a guy the campaign has talking for them? |
who knows wtf he meant. doesn't matter right now. Wright was nobody prior to Obama's campaign, Wright will fade when it's over (maybe. thats up to Wright)
...and another thing. what Wright has done in the last week is reinforce everything that you and other Obama supporters have pleaded with others to just dismiss as distraction. very deliberately, i might add. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
let me clarify. Wright is the only one right now that matters(as of yesterday). name me another spokesman for Obama, that one, isn't his own wife, two, isn't named Keith Olberman, and three, that anybody gives a damn about or knows who the they are. it's called default. |
Any number of people that actually, you know, work for the campaign.
| quote: | | ...cause it's irrelevant. |
Why?
| quote: | | who knows wtf he meant. doesn't matter right now. |
Hmmm... It was pretty clear to me from reading the speech.
| quote: | | ...and another thing. what Wright has done in the last week is reinforce everything that you and other Obama supporters have pleaded with others to just dismiss as distraction. very deliberately, i might add. |
And now I just don't even know what you're talking about. Unless of course you're saying that Wright has purposefully made this more of an issue than it actually is, in which case I agree with you. But that's a pretty good way of saying "Jeremiah Wright is obviously not working for Barack Obama." |
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