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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
not every guy can be an alpha male. some males have to be the alpha male's bitch. the alpha male has to push someone around, hence, computer geeks. |
Even the nerdiest nerds have alpha males inside them. Each male just lets it out in different ways. A nerd might unleash his alpha male in a video game killing everything in sight. Or a dude like me will unload a few clips out of an assault rifle at the range. Even better, PAINTBALLING is soooo much fun!! |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
not every guy can be an alpha male. some males have to be the alpha male's bitch. the alpha male has to push someone around, hence, computer geeks. |
the alpha male is situational, not intrinsic. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
the alpha male is situational, not intrinsic. |
i disagree. the alpha male has an innate ability to dominate. |
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| jerZ07002 |
This is part of the reason criminals get guns, states like virginia and georgia are so concerned about preventing NY, NJ and Mass from preventing gun dealers from selling illegally.
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Va. Tells NYC to Stop Gun Stings
Attorney General Warns of Charges
By Tim Craig
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 10, 2007; A01
RICHMOND, May 9 -- Attorney General Robert F. McDonnell is warning New York to stop, by the summer, sending private agents into Virginia to look for illegal gun sales, saying that the agents could face legal action.
Because of a Virginia law that goes into effect in July, New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (R) and his agents could be charged with a felony if they continue to target Virginia gun dealers with undercover sting operations, McDonnell said.
McDonnell (R) has sent Bloomberg what amounts to a cease-and-desist letter.
"This was a courtesy letter to the mayor to advise him about a change in Virginia law of which he should be aware," McDonnell said Wednesday.
Bloomberg's spokesman, Jason Post, did not seem shaken: "We wish Attorney General McDonnell was as aggressive in enforcing the laws that prevent illegal guns from getting in the hands of criminals as he was in enforcing the laws that protect the gun lobby."
Convinced that illegal gun sales in Virginia contribute to violent crime in his city, Bloomberg has been arming private investigators with hidden cameras and sending them into Virginia gun stores to try to make illegal buys.
The process involves "straw purchases," in which one person legally fills out a form and buys a gun for someone else.
New York has filed suit against two dozen gun dealers over such practices, including six in Virginia.
In February, Town & Country Pawn Shop of Roanoke settled with New York and agreed to allow a special judge monitor their firearms sales. But several other dealers, including Bob Moate's Sports Shop in Richmond, are fighting the lawsuit in court.
According to the suit filed in U.S. District Court in Brooklyn, New York police recovered 22 guns between 1994 and 2002, including some used in homicides, that they said were sold by at Bob Moate's. In March 2006, New York sent a man and woman into the store to confirm its suspicion that the store was making illegal gun sales.
"Once the male investigator selected a gun and indicated a desire to purchase it, the female investigator, who had not been part of the discussion, approached the counter to make the purchase," the suit alleges. The woman filled out the required paperwork, but then the man came and paid cash for the gun, the suit says.
Richard Gardiner, the store's attorney, says his client has "no connection" to New York's gun violence. He also accuses the investigators of tricking his clients into making the sale.
"If anything, these dealers are the victims," Gardiner said.
Gun rights groups are also furious, and in the spring they convinced the Republican-controlled General Assembly to intervene. The House and Senate overwhelmingly approved a law that says Virginia or federal law enforcement officials have to be present before such stings can be conducted. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) signed the law in March.
"This new law strikes the proper balance between ensuring proper law enforcement and protecting the rights of law-abiding firearms dealers and those of Virginia citizens under the Second Amendment," McDonnell, a possible Republican candidate for governor in 2009, wrote to Bloomberg.
Mike Stollenwerk, a member of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, praised McDonnell's letter, saying he put "Bloomberg on notice."
The league has also been holding a series of "Bloomberg Gun Giveaways" to support the dealers' legal expenses.
Next week, at Fairfax County's Mason Government Center, "a handgun, a long gun, lots of ammunition, and other prizes will be awarded" as part of a drawing, according to a statement from Stollenwerk.
Post says Bloomberg "will continue to develop innovative and aggressive ways to keep New Yorkers safe." |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
that's because there isn't a uniform set of gun control laws in the US. if you can't get a gun in NY, you can get it in virginia. if there was an uniform set of laws across the country you would surely see a greater effect.
as for constitutional rights, we will see what the supreme court says in the beginning of the summer. i suspect they will punt on whether a state has the right to control guns, however, i'm pretty sure the conservative court will rule that DC (an extension of the federal government) has only a limited right to control guns. However, 11 of the 13 circuits have ruled against your individual rights theory. with respect to forefather intent, do you think black people are worth 3/5 of a free man and shouldn't have the right to vote? That was also your forefathers intent. |
Actually all the recent decisions from the Circuit courts have been in favor of the individual rights theory. In fact, this quote came from the majority decision in Parker v. District of Columbia:
"In determining whether the Second Amendment’s guarantee is an individual one, or some sort of collective right, the most important word is the one the drafters chose to describe the holders of the right—“the people.” That term is found in the First, Second, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments. It has never been doubted that these provisions were designed to protect the interests of individuals against government intrusion, interference, or usurpation. We also note that the Tenth Amendment—“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people”—indicates that the authors of the Bill of Rights were perfectly capable of distinguishing between “the people,” on the one hand, and “the states,” on the other. The natural reading of “the right of the people” in the Second Amendment would accord with usage elsewhere in the Bill of Rights."
Seems pretty clear to me that the courts understand that the writers of the 2nd Amendment intended for the individual to have the right to own a gun.
Maybe instead of more worthless anti-gun laws we should look at Switzerland. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the entire world and a large number of them are military style "assult" weapons. In 2006 there were all of 34 recorded killings involving firearms in a population of 7.5 million people and its overall crime rate is very low by international standards. Why so few gun crimes in a country with so many guns? If you listen to the logic of gun control advocates in the US you would think the number of shootings in a country with near universal gun ownership would be off the charts. However that doesn't turn out to be the case, probably because criminals are much less likely to attack someone in there home when there is an almost 100% chance that the occupant will have multiple guns and be trained in their use. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
Actually all the recent decisions from the Circuit courts have been in favor of the individual rights theory. In fact, this quote came from the majority decision in Parker v. District of Columbia:
"In determining whether the Second Amendment�s guarantee is an individual one, or some sort of collective right, the most important word is the one the drafters chose to describe the holders of the right��the people.� That term is found in the First, Second, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments. It has never been doubted that these provisions were designed to protect the interests of individuals against government intrusion, interference, or usurpation. We also note that the Tenth Amendment��The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people��indicates that the authors of the Bill of Rights were perfectly capable of distinguishing between �the people,� on the one hand, and �the states,� on the other. The natural reading of �the right of the people� in the Second Amendment would accord with usage elsewhere in the Bill of Rights."
Seems pretty clear to me that the courts understand that the writers of the 2nd Amendment intended for the individual to have the right to own a gun.
Maybe instead of more worthless anti-gun laws we should look at Switzerland. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the entire world and a large number of them are military style "assult" weapons. In 2006 there were all of 34 recorded killings involving firearms in a population of 7.5 million people and its overall crime rate is very low by international standards. Why so few gun crimes in a country with so many guns? If you listen to the logic of gun control advocates in the US you would think the number of shootings in a country with near universal gun ownership would be off the charts. However that doesn't turn out to be the case, probably because criminals are much less likely to attack someone in there home when there is an almost 100% chance that the occupant will have multiple guns and be trained in their use. |
that was the decisions from the federal circuit, easily the most conservative circuit in the whole judiciary. it's been a while since con law, but i'm pretty sure 10 of the 12 (i mistakenly said 11 of 13 - that's what happens when you operate through agencies, you forget basic ) hold that the right is an aggregate right.
switzerland's wealth is also much more easily dispersed. They don't have the kind of poverty that is present in US cities. If switzerland had south central LA's, east new york's, etc... you would certainly see an increase in gun violence. why don't you cite how much gun violence there is in parts of africa where you can easily buy a gun yet people live in poverty? Comparing europe to the US is like comparing apples to oranges. They don't have the same degree of social divides that we do. It's interesting that you cited the crack wars as a reason for gun violence but conveniently left out the part that switzerland social divide is not nearly as pronounced as ours. |
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| SteelWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
God bless 2nd amendment! |
Ah yes, the Beretta M92 FS (or the M9 to us). An excellent handgun, very reliable (If you use factory magazines or good ones from Magpull), very accurate and its heavy weight makes it ideal for the pistol whip. Here's mine:
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| chach |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
My fav gun in the game i play\
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 golden eye :toothless |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by SteelWolf
Ah yes, the Beretta M92 FS (or the M9 to us). An excellent handgun, very reliable (If you use factory magazines or good ones from Magpull), very accurate and its heavy weight makes it ideal for the pistol whip. Here's mine:
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not the best concealed carry weapon though, very bulky. personally, I get much better results with my USP40 - really amazing. I like it much better than beretta in every way - ballance, grip, control, and size. Even with a shorter barrel length I get much better grouping with it at the same distance (25 yds). Also, my understanding that SEALs are all about the H&K. Their .45 full sized handgun is like a friggin laserbeam. I had a competition with my buddies - one has sig 225, another one Walther P99, another one has a Glock. We used same distance and went 3 times, full clip, with each weapon. Each and every single one of us had pretty close results with the H&K - it was most accurate and nicest feeling.
Plus my undrestanding is that it's manufactured to withhold harsh conditions, dirt, sand, salt water, etc. Since I'm quite happy with USP (and use it most), I am actually thinking of selling my 92fs and getting a cougar or a desert eagle. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
that was the decisions from the federal circuit, easily the most conservative circuit in the whole judiciary. it's been a while since con law, but i'm pretty sure 10 of the 12 (i mistakenly said 11 of 13 - that's what happens when you operate through agencies, you forget basic ) hold that the right is an aggregate right.
switzerland's wealth is also much more easily dispersed. They don't have the kind of poverty that is present in US cities. If switzerland had south central LA's, east new york's, etc... you would certainly see an increase in gun violence. why don't you cite how much gun violence there is in parts of africa where you can easily buy a gun yet people live in poverty? Comparing europe to the US is like comparing apples to oranges. They don't have the same degree of social divides that we do. It's interesting that you cited the crack wars as a reason for gun violence but conveniently left out the part that switzerland social divide is not nearly as pronounced as ours. |
+1 - in order to compare statistics, the sample has to be at least somewhat similar in nature.
And I agree on the uniformity of gun control laws. As I said earlier, DC's gun laws have been made somewhat ineffectual due to the proliferation of gun shops and gun fairs within a fifteen mile radius in Prince Georges (MD) and Prince William (VA) counties. If people couldn't hop on the bus and get a gun across the border, gun ownership in DC would drop precipitously.
As to the eighteen years of rising gun crime - I agree that some of that is due to increasing demographic pressure (poverty/drug usage). But I do believe that gun control laws take a considerable amount of time to become effectual - in part because there is no uniformity and in part because there is no way to regulate guns that are already in private possession. In my opinion, that is the greatest challenge - regulating what has already been sold. |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
See, that's sexual stress. I'm talking about anger/work stress.
Unleash the alpha male inside. Every guy has it. Every guy should embrace their alpha male...:D |
go to the gym and wail on a punching bag. much better stress reliever and less psychotic :gsmile: |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
In my opinion, that is the greatest challenge - regulating what has already been sold. |
Well, assuming congress could pass a law forcing every state to require registration of firearms, regulating guns that are already in the marketplace, is easy to do. |
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