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Which DAW do you use? (pg. 4)
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| Lolo |
okeeey, let's give it a go:
I was using logic pro from 1998 until 2006 and was totally happy with it, but it had a few limitations that made me sick. With the adoption of track-based automation in v5 we lost the hyper editing possibilities on audio track plug-ins, and automation is not spot-on, sample accurate. Plus time-stretching-squeezing was a little bit hard.
Then I used ableton live 5 up to 7 as my main sequencer. For accurate timing and delay compensation on software instruments you need the internal instruments (operator, analog, tension, sampler). What pisses me off the most is midi recording (no step input), no score, no surround mixing, and now the price compared to Logic ( 700 Euros for the whole suite package, and you still have almost nothing in terms of sound library).
I am also a huge reason fan, as it does wonders for making drumloops, but its lack of audio among others, and the fact you have to buy recycle and edit all of you files by hand to have them as audio tracks, makes it almost impossible for me to go for Reason as my main sequencer, but I keep it for remix and third party stuff. It's very nice.
So I went back to logic 2 weeks ago, and now, I'm still deep into it. I discovered a way to time-stretch files perfectly without having to rely on apple loops, and that keeps attack times extremely accurate, although you can't pitch all transients independently. Besides that, still no spot-on automation, and the latter although well intuitive, is extremely outrageous when you have to draw "bars" or "rectangles" with 16th or 32nd note value. But at that price, and now with offline audio editing thanks to soundtrack pro's editor...
What I like the most is that fact you can just glue several audio regions/tracks into one stereo track in no time.
The perfect combo is somewhere between live and logic for me, based on those points:
Live:
Sampler/Simpler, Drum racks slicing, spot-on automation, clip env and plug-in time accuracy, and of course elastic audio.
Logic:
Quality and Quantity of the plug-ins, Surround mixing, Audio regions slice, merge, offline audio editing, the mixer, midi edit and record.
I'm afraid I'll have to use both of them in rewire mode for ages...
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| Acton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
The perfect combo is somewhere between live and logic for me, based on those points:
Live:
Sampler/Simpler, Drum racks slicing, spot-on automation, clip env and plug-in time accuracy, and of course elastic audio.
Logic:
Quality and Quantity of the plug-ins, Surround mixing, Audio regions slice, merge, offline audio editing, the mixer, midi edit and record.
I'm afraid I'll have to use both of them in rewire mode for ages...
L. |
sounds like a good combo to me ;)
im so gutted Logic went to Mac only from v5! |
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| kitphillips |
Can't believe logic's automation isn't accurate:eyes: Its supposed to be a professional environment!
Has anyone looked at Digital performer at all? Looked a bit like logic but some cool features like built in pitch correction for vocals. No more need for Melodyne in that case. But I haven't tried it myself since its Mac only...
Live is really good for some stuff, but the time stretch quality really bothers me to be honest, I find that it just automatically sounds like rubbish even before you've adjusted anything. Transients are smeared around the place like the blood in some musical slasher film:eek:
Also no scoring makes it pretty impossible to work with professional musicians, because you can't just print them off a score. And until the most recent version there was no support for time signature changes.
Sonar's hellish unstable but has good features, the interface leaves a lot to be desired too. I hate stuff with multiple windows, it reminds me of my old pro tools days. Also, you can't save scores to JPG?!! Rubbish.
Pro tools is just all round impossible, you would never bother.:rolleyes:
I wish Ableton would put in just a few small tweaks to make the environment properly professional and solve all our problems. Better compensation, score support, better time stretch, maybe surround for people doing film work... Its just not that hard:whip: |
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| hereander |
I switched to reaper recently. The workflow speed up is amazing. I really like the tool-less idea. I always found Sonar a little painfull. Especially if you want to try a different instruments you have to put it in the rack and route midi from and audio to (or you let it create new tracks, ending up in a mess). In reaper you just put it in the fx bin (you can do that in sonar but you still have to route midi).
Though there are still some things I dislike in reaper for electronic music. Especially in automation: you can automate everything but it is a pain to organize automation if you use lots of midi loops (clip automation like in ableton would come in handy)
I hope reapers feature developement will speed up again when the mac version will enter beta or release. |
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| Acton |
| On the subject of automation, one thing i dislike about my current DAW (Ableton) is the fact that you are restricted to automating 128 or so parameters per midi track, i wouldnt mind, but some of the most useful ones are never on the list lol. But apparently Ableton are getting on top of this and it will be ammended in a later version of Live. |
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| davidbuhau |
peak controller can do far more than duck the gain yo...
i NEVER duck the gain... i always duck a particular frequency using a parametric eq...
sidechaining isn't the holy grail anyways... people made fat tracks for a long time without it... don't get me wrong, i use the concept from time to time, but i never use as a fix all for the bottom end like most of you ******s do...
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| Eugene Ego |
| I use Cubase 4. :) |
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| JustinMead |
| quote: | Originally posted by davidbuhau
but i never use as a fix all for the bottom end like most of you ******s do... |
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| davidbuhau |
roll your eyes if you like...
david |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by davidbuhau
roll your eyes if you like...
david |
:rolleyes: |
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| pwnage1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
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:rolleyes: I have never used sidechaining i dont even have a side chain compressor. I am going to look into that soon. I have mainly just learning synthesis, melodies, arrangement, now i feel i need to learn some mixing compression and eq. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by davidbuhau
roll your eyes if you like...
david |
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :stongue: |
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