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The Eminem Show (pg. 3)
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| BTG |
I downloaded it today, and listend to it. and i didn't mind it.
i liked the mm lp alot more. Every song on that cd i loved. Although i'm not into the whole Hip hop scene anymore, i still like to go back and listen to my eminem cds everyonce in a while. the new cd was allright, but none of the songs stuck out, except for dads gone crazy. bleh. oh well. |
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| inatrance |
the nobody listens to techno is right.. nobody does listen to techno.. trance is where its at ;) ;)
moby... wtf?!? all I can say L-O-S-E-R... I havn't ever heard a trance/techno song dissing on that sob |
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| da_MynDLesS_one |
| quote: | Originally posted by apri_peel
do you REALLY like trance? i really thought that ppl who are into trance and all that electronic music, of all the people, would understand the diversity of music. you cant judge it as you cannot judge tastes. everyone is different which makes our world a better place. |
I agree completely!!!!! Keeping an open mind to music is what got me into trance in the first place. A true music lover, like me (:D), can appreciate ALL types of music and understand their appeal, regardless of whether or not you listen to the genre on a regular basis. I may strongly dislike listening to jazz or country, but I can see the appeal in both. |
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| dj kinetica |
| quote: | Originally posted by apri_peel
do you REALLY like trance? i really thought that ppl who are into trance and all that electronic music, of all the people, would understand the diversity of music. you cant judge it as you cannot judge tastes. everyone is different which makes our world a better place.
correction: eminem is a rapper not a popstar. if you know the difference between house and trance, you should be able to tell the difference between nsync and snoop dogg |
dont talk to me about diversity of music with eminem...hey he got some sik beats thats for sure and he can hella flow BUT he needs to put those vocal chords to better use...hes just looking for trouble with this songs...and anyone who listens to eminem knows FOR SURE that his music and "diversity" dont make this world a better place... |
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| webmeister |
I think you guys give Eminem too much credit.
He's nothing more than a poor guy that's been shoved into the spotlight by greedy PR flacks, spin-doctors and fat-cat executives. They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are), they can sell LOADS of albums.
And damned if it doesn't work.
It works for Eminem, it works for punk/ska bands like Blink, it works for Marilyn Manson, it worked for Kurt Cobain, it worked for Mick Jaggar, hell it even worked for Frank Sinatra and James Dean 50-odd years ago. And I imagine it'll keep on working into the future.
Example: for people to take you seriously as a rapper, you need to be a felon. You rap about being behind bars etc, so you need to have done some time, had some charges, something to put on show. Weapons charges?? I'd be surprised if there were any weapons in the first place. Those weapons charges were just a cheap publicity stunt to boost his profile and give him some credibility as a rapper.
It's the same as when Britney has a new single or album coming out. Suddenly a whole heap of Britney stories start appearing. The classic in this case is how she wants to date Prince William. She probably doesn't even know who this Willy guy is, but it's a good story and it gets Britney out into the news. (Personally, I'd love to see those two get married and have Britney Spears as the Queen of England 50 years down the track .. I'd laugh about it everyday:cool: )
I should probably point out at this stage that I'm actually a journalist, so I see this sort of thing happening all the time. PR people push "news" at you all the time, offer you exclusives, just so that Eminem or Britney can get on the front cover or the front page or whatever. And I hate it with a passion.
But it's time to return to the point: Eminem's lyrics. Say what you will about them, either way I don't hear them so I don't care. But saying naughty words and politically incorrect things about whoever his writers can think of is only another extension of what I've said above. His PR flacks, media "minders" and other assorted managers push these things into his tracks for the same reason - saying controversial things gets him on the front page of the newspaper. And then having all the do-gooders, concerned parents, bleeding-heart politicians and godbotherers stand up and say "teenagers shouldn't listen to this" only makes said teenagers go out and buy it.
Note that I'm not criticising anyone for this. I used to do the same thing when I was younger - I used to be really into Nirvana, bought all the t-shirts, videos, cds, concert tickets, you name it. Totally bought into the whole thing. Once you get a bit older (and no I'm only 21 before you ask) you start to see through these things.
I suppose at the end of the day, the music industry isn't about music at all. It tends to define who you are as a person. Notice when you're at school, people congregate in groups, and usually those groups are musically aligned. Not always, but it happens too often to be mere coincidence.
When you buy a CD or download a track, you make a statement about yourself as a person. We're all here because we identify ourselves as being trance addicts (duh :D). Similarly, people tend to start imitating their favourite musicians. And if you don't believe me, the number of white middle-class 13 year old boys I see here in Australia walking, talking, dressing and acting like Eminem is just frightening. And saddening at the same time.
So I guess my overall point is that music isn't music. It has a whole stigma attached to it. What does this have to do with Eminem? He just demonstrates this more clearly than most people.
EDIT: Apologies for the post length, but I could go on and on about this sort of stuff - I did a whole uni degree about it :D Seriously though, please try and read all of it. Intelligent replies only plz :)
Cheers! |
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| inatrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by webmeister
I think you guys give Eminem too much credit.
He's nothing more than a poor guy that's been shoved into the spotlight by greedy PR flacks, spin-doctors and fat-cat executives. They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are), they can sell LOADS of albums.
And damned if it doesn't work.
It works for Eminem, it works for punk/ska bands like Blink, it works for Marilyn Manson, it worked for Kurt Cobain, it worked for Mick Jaggar, hell it even worked for Frank Sinatra and James Dean 50-odd years ago. And I imagine it'll keep on working into the future.
Example: for people to take you seriously as a rapper, you need to be a felon. You rap about being behind bars etc, so you need to have done some time, had some charges, something to put on show. Weapons charges?? I'd be surprised if there were any weapons in the first place. Those weapons charges were just a cheap publicity stunt to boost his profile and give him some credibility as a rapper.
It's the same as when Britney has a new single or album coming out. Suddenly a whole heap of Britney stories start appearing. The classic in this case is how she wants to date Prince William. She probably doesn't even know who this Willy guy is, but it's a good story and it gets Britney out into the news. (Personally, I'd love to see those two get married and have Britney Spears as the Queen of England 50 years down the track .. I'd laugh about it everyday:cool: )
I should probably point out at this stage that I'm actually a journalist, so I see this sort of thing happening all the time. PR people push "news" at you all the time, offer you exclusives, just so that Eminem or Britney can get on the front cover or the front page or whatever. And I hate it with a passion.
But it's time to return to the point: Eminem's lyrics. Say what you will about them, either way I don't hear them so I don't care. But saying naughty words and politically incorrect things about whoever his writers can think of is only another extension of what I've said above. His PR flacks, media "minders" and other assorted managers push these things into his tracks for the same reason - saying controversial things gets him on the front page of the newspaper. And then having all the do-gooders, concerned parents, bleeding-heart politicians and godbotherers stand up and say "teenagers shouldn't listen to this" only makes said teenagers go out and buy it.
Note that I'm not criticising anyone for this. I used to do the same thing when I was younger - I used to be really into Nirvana, bought all the t-shirts, videos, cds, concert tickets, you name it. Totally bought into the whole thing. Once you get a bit older (and no I'm only 21 before you ask) you start to see through these things.
I suppose at the end of the day, the music industry isn't about music at all. It tends to define who you are as a person. Notice when you're at school, people congregate in groups, and usually those groups are musically aligned. Not always, but it happens too often to be mere coincidence.
When you buy a CD or download a track, you make a statement about yourself as a person. We're all here because we identify ourselves as being trance addicts (duh :D). Similarly, people tend to start imitating their favourite musicians. And if you don't believe me, the number of white middle-class 13 year old boys I see here in Australia walking, talking, dressing and acting like Eminem is just frightening. And saddening at the same time.
So I guess my overall point is that music isn't music. It has a whole stigma attached to it. What does this have to do with Eminem? He just demonstrates this more clearly than most people.
EDIT: Apologies for the post length, but I could go on and on about this sort of stuff - I did a whole uni degree about it :D Seriously though, please try and read all of it. Intelligent replies only plz :)
Cheers! |
vrey intelligent post, I agree |
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| uwmadtrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by webmeister
He's nothing more than a poor guy that's been shoved into the spotlight by greedy PR flacks, spin-doctors and fat-cat executives. They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are), they can sell LOADS of albums.
It works for Eminem, it works for punk/ska bands like Blink, it works for Marilyn Manson, it worked for Kurt Cobain, it worked for Mick Jaggar, hell it even worked for Frank Sinatra and James Dean 50-odd years ago. And I imagine it'll keep on working into the future.
Note that I'm not criticising anyone for this. I used to do the same thing when I was younger - I used to be really into Nirvana, bought all the t-shirts, videos, cds, concert tickets, you name it. Totally bought into the whole thing. Once you get a bit older (and no I'm only 21 before you ask) you start to see through these things.
I suppose at the end of the day, the music industry isn't about music at all. It tends to define who you are as a person. Notice when you're at school, people congregate in groups, and usually those groups are musically aligned. Not always, but it happens too often to be mere coincidence.
So I guess my overall point is that music isn't music. It has a whole stigma attached to it. What does this have to do with Eminem? He just demonstrates this more clearly than most people.
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First off, starting off your post with an ignorant comment like | quote: | | They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are) |
you lose some credibility. But anyways...
Yes, Eminem may be a lot of hype and image which is what sells him, but you must give him credit for the talent he has. I certainly couldn't have been picked up off the streets and be able to do what he does, and I doubt anybody else here can. And yes, Blink 182 is crappy 'punk' music that got a big push and people were told they were 'cool' (Hell I used to watch them in concerts about 5-6 years ago before anyone had heard of them, now I can't stand their work).
But how can you criticize the Stones, or Nirvana? Your argument could quite conceivably stand true for any band that has ever existed and been popular. Are the Beatles sellouts? Were the Eagles only great because of the push they got?
This same concept works for everything ... movies, books, TV, clothing (tell me you only shop @ Wal-mart or whatever cheap chain is around you) ... popularity sells, and just because trance music is not a popular genre in the music scene doesn't mean you should demean the success of these other artists.
Answering your last point ... I guess nothing is anything ... everything has a stigma attached to it. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| Controversy and commercial stunts aside,the fact remains that Eminem is a VERY talented rapper.I don't think that there are many MCs out there who could take him out in a battle,and those few who can still haven't delivered the goods album wise.I just wish he could focus more on his music,and less on provoking people."Without Me" production wise sounds like a remix of "Purple Pills".And come on,how can you take a man that tries to diss MOBY by saying that nobody listens to TECHNO seriously??!!I almost started laughing when I heard that.It proves that the only reason he has for saying these things is to provoke people.And since it obviously works,he keeps doing it on this album. |
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| da_MynDLesS_one |
| quote: | Originally posted by webmeister
I think you guys give Eminem too much credit.
He's nothing more than a poor guy that's been shoved into the spotlight by greedy PR flacks, spin-doctors and fat-cat executives. They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are), they can sell LOADS of albums.
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Most of us are disillusioned teenagers? Speak for yourself... the people here are diverse and from a lot of different age groups... the only accurate general statement you can make that will hold true for all of us is that we all love trance music.
I am neither disillusioned nor a teenager and I like Eminem. How does that work? Maybe I admire his skill? Maybe I enjoy his music?
If Eminem was only popular because of the controversial content of his lyrics, there wouldn't be any rap music fans. Like I said earlier, if you can't appreciate rap music, don't jump to the conclusion that he has no talent or is just a product of pop culture. |
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| webmeister |
Guys, I wasn't criticising anything.
Re-read my post carefully; I didn't criticise Eminem or say he's a bad rapper because I simply don't know. I don't know a thing about what makes a good rapper.
Nor was I criticising the Beatles or the Stones or anyone else for selling this approach.
I was simply making the point that it's not Eminem himself that drives all the controversy, it's the spin doctors who control him that make up all that stuff.
OK maybe the disillusioned teens comment was out of line, but that was just an observation on most of the people I see listening to Eminem - I guess that's not all of you :D
Just remember that Eminem isn't rebellion, it's packet-mix rebellion that is packaged up and sold by the very same corporations and authority figures that it's "telling" you to rebel against.
Sorry I'm late for work, will post more thoughtful replies later... |
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| inatrance |
| uhh maybe its just what I observe, but most people who listen to eminem, are teenagers, and most of them are didillusioned... end of story |
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| da_MynDLesS_one |
| quote: | Originally posted by inatrance
uhh maybe its just what I observe, but most people who listen to eminem, are teenagers, and most of them are didillusioned... end of story |
Really? Have you met them all? :rolleyes: |
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