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Obama/Biden 08 (pg. 5)
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| guerra-monstru |
| so some of those senators are really really rich:eyes: |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by guerra-monstru
so some of those senators are really really rich:eyes: |
Yeah, it's kind of deceptive though. A few Senators file their taxes individually, and so the list doesn't include the money made by their spouses. John Kerry got hammered for his return because he filed it jointly with his heiress wife. John McCain is spared the scrutiny because he files separately (his wife is an heiress as well). |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I'm sure you supported making that exact type of argument when the GOP were making it against John Kerry's Heinz fortune or John Edwards' $400 haircuts. |
their wealth, in and of itself, has never been an issue with me. it's how their wealth contradicts their messages of agents of change or populism that i can't ignore or give the obligatory pass to.
Edwards was a special case though.
if McCain doesn't want to go into detail about his wife's finances and property holdings then so be it. they're separate. but that doesn't seem to stop the opposing punditry to lie about it and make it a character assaination. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
their wealth, in and of itself, has never been an issue with me. it's how their wealth contradicts their messages of agents of change or populism that i can't ignore or give the obligatory pass to.
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+1... This from Obama: The Democratic National Committee will uphold the same standard: We will not take a dime from Washington lobbyists or special interest PACs. … They will not fund my party!
How well did he really Vet Biden? After months of demonizing lobbyists, Obama selected a running mate who has taken millions in contributions from those same lobbyists Obama supposedly eschewed, at least until the DNC started running out of money. It looks like Obama didn’t just throw Hope and Change under the bus, but himself right along with it. Whether this is hypocrisy or incompetence it’s stunning either way. |
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| MERiDiAN5i2 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden
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As chairman of the International Narcotics Control Caucus, Biden wrote the laws that created the nation's "Drug Czar," who oversees and coordinates national drug control policy. In April 2003 he introduced the controversial Reducing Americans' Vulnerability to Ecstasy Act, also known as the RAVE Act. He continues to work to stop the spread of "date rape drugs" such as Rohypnol, and drugs such as Ecstasy and Ketamine. In 2004 he worked to pass a bill outlawing steroids like androstenedione, the drug used by many baseball players.
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I'm not pro-drug... But the "RAVE" act put my town on a list of cities that were targeted; suddenly our scene went WAY downhill as the police, pressured by the feds and coerced with money, starting putting massive pressure on venues and promoters. There was a dead period of several years following our town being targeted by this nasty piece of legislation. I'm all for stamping drug use out of our scene, especially ecstasy and similar drugs with serious dangers, but I don't believe destroying the scene itself is the answer. The answer, instead, lies in education and taking down the folks who manufacture and distribute such substances. Instead, Biden's legislation throws cash at police departments in return for taking down (by whatever means) the "rave" scene.
F-cking idiot. There's just no way I can vote for this scumbag. I guess I'm sitting this election out. Certainly I can't vote for the Cainhole either.
I really don't see what Biden has accomplished that is very positive. He's worked on some pet projects, some of which make a positive impact on society, but has done nothing to reform government or make real change to our massively corrupt system. For a candidate such as Obama running on a platform of change, it seems Biden makes absolutely no sense.
As far as I'm concerned he's just another rich, old, white crony. Exactly the category of politician we need LESS of.
I'm surprised Obama picked him. Sure, excellent foreign policy pick, but we really need to worry about OUR country, not putting our nose into other people's business. The last thing we need to restore our credibility on the world stage is another foreign policy attack dog.
FFS, we need to consider our crumbling nation.
Biden was instrumental in convincing Clinton to use force in the Balkans, and voted for the final resolution for the Iraq war. He believes force is a valid foreign policy. He thinks it would have been wise to cut Iraq up into multiple pieces, so sectarian violence could spiral into full-on international violence between the three states... You know, it's a real good idea to add nationalism into a powderkeg.. That always works out so well.
Biden.. The next Cheney. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
I'm surprised Obama picked him. Sure, excellent foreign policy pick, but we really need to worry about OUR country, not putting our nose into other people's business. |
That's kind of the point of putting someone in office that knows what they're doing.
| quote: | The last thing we need to restore our credibility on the world stage is another foreign policy attack dog.
FFS, we need to consider our crumbling nation. |
Which is kind of the point of putting someone in office that knows what they're doing. Biden has done more for national public education than almost any other Senator he's served with. He also wants to devote more resources back to eroding infrastructure. He wants to cut back on resources exerted in foreign policy and resort on diplomacy as the first option and force only as a last resort in cases of national endangerment and genocide. After being publicly duped by this Administration on Iraq he apologized and said that it shows the importance of weighing carefully all options. In fact, together with GOP Senator Lugar, Biden unsuccessfully tried to slow down or avoid altogether the build-up to war. As a result of Iraq, he's backed off earlier statements that the US should display force for the promotion of democracy. He is, however, pushing for some intercession in Darfur as a result of the ongoing genocide there.
His record:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Joe...War_+_Peace.htm
| quote: | | He thinks it would have been wise to cut Iraq up into multiple pieces, so sectarian violence could spiral into full-on international violence between the three states... |
I think you're confusing his federal plan (aka like the US) with partition. A federal system is quite different, though for some reason his plan is often misconstrued. You wouldn't classify America as partitioned, would you?
| quote: | | Biden.. The next Cheney. |
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| guerra-monstru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Yeah, it's kind of deceptive though. A few Senators file their taxes individually, and so the list doesn't include the money made by their spouses. John Kerry got hammered for his return because he filed it jointly with his heiress wife. John McCain is spared the scrutiny because he files separately (his wife is an heiress as well). |
You know it came to me. Shouldnt Biden have a higher net worth since he has been in the senate for so long? All what he had to do was put some money aside to grow it in a mutual fund. how come he did not do even that? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by guerra-monstru
You know it came to me. Shouldnt Biden have a higher net worth since he has been in the senate for so long? All what he had to do was put some money aside to grow it in a mutual fund. how come he did not do even that? |
college tuition x 4 + house mortgage
also, amtrak expenses = $100/day
adds up over the course of a 200 day work year. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
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Barack Obama's chief foreign policy adviser Susan Rice just strolled past past the Huffington Post office inside media pavilion number 5 here at the Democratic National Convention. So of course we ran down the hallway to catch up and get her reaction to the news that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is pushing for a full U.S. withdrawal by 2011.
"Well, I think Maliki's responding, obviously, to the domestic pressures and realities inside Iraq," Dr. Rice said. "But the important point is that Sen. [Barack] Obama has been saying for years now that we need to set a clear, predictable timeline -- that he believes we can responsibly withdraw our forces within 16 months, and do so safely. The Iraqis are now saying they're going to also insist on a timetable. The Bush administration has had to accommodate that position. And John McCain is the outlier, insisting he wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely, in permanent bases, regardless of what the what the Iraqis think."
Responding to the McCain camp's line that any U.S. withdrawal must be conducted based on real-time conditions, Rice added that the political will inside Iraq is in itself "a fact on the ground" before continuing on her way toward the convention hall.
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I <3 Susan Rice. |
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| AddictedTo1982 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Ooh, you're such a tough guy. |
internet/forum tough guys
how sad |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| If politics is an expectations game, McCain has raised the bar on the Democratic side - especially for Joe Biden. |
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