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| diggerz |
| Yes, just like religion 'shoes for the masses'... hehe only joking |
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
In reality they've probably formed their entire view of the bible on Genesis (Aka Genesis: The first book of moses for all you jews). Which is unfair since any reasonable Christian will admit Genesis is a pile of crap and is almost entirely metaphorical. |
Leaving aside the blatant assumption aboout atheists that you've made here...would it be unfair of me to say that Genesis only became metaphorical or allegorical once science advanced far enough to show that it was nonsense?
Before that, did people not think that Adam and Eve were real people?
This confusion about what is allegorical and what is literal is one of the main reasons why I think the Bible is not inspired by a god in any way. If the god of the bible exists, it is clear to me that he approves of confusion, either that or he lacks basic communication skills. |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yeah, because reading the return of the king is gonna make me believe in elves and rings of power ;)
as for the part that i've bolded, from where do you get that argument from? there are innumerable problems and contradictions (not to mention obvious lies) within the bible that only the truly gullible would believe it ever resembled the word of god.
no, i havent read all of it and no im not going to bother; its one of the worst works of scifi/fantasy that ive ever attempted to read.
its easy to provide the answers when you can just make them up. |
You're just an ignorant atheist that doesn't know anything, but pretends to.
P.S. God told me that about you.
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
Leaving aside the blatant assumption aboout atheists that you've made here...would it be unfair of me to say that Genesis only became metaphorical or allegorical once science advanced far enough to show that it was nonsense?
Before that, did people not think that Adam and Eve were real people?
This confusion about what is allegorical and what is literal is one of the main reasons why I think the Bible is not inspired by a god in any way. If the god of the bible exists, it is clear to me that he approves of confusion, either that or he lacks basic communication skills. |
You mentioned the word "inspired" and I think if you read a bit into Geisler or Nix you'd hear countless explanations as to how the bible IS inspired both divinely and by a human being's hand.
My assumption isn't unfounded either, it is the most controversial book of the bible and therefore it begs to be scrutinized the most. Countless morons I've tried to discuss this with in person and over the net can only ever seem to say "adam and eve" or "big flood" when asked which parts they think are BS.
I think your assumption about advances in science debunking Genesis is 100% true, but I can't see science burning it's way through the rest of the bible in quite the same way. Exodus and Deuteronomy for instance are backed up by other evidence from the period. (Albeit, there is some here-say in those books as well, I find it hard to believe Moses parted the water but I don't have a hard time believing he brought the exodus upon the people of Israel and that he was somehow in communication with a higher being).
I know my point of view is a dated one, and not a hip or cool one that makes me seem more up in the times. Atheism is cool nowadays in most westernized countries, but I don't really care and have devoted a large portion of my time for quite a few years now studying the subject on both sides of the aisle so to speak.
I'm not ignorant about it, and I'm not usually arrogant about the whole thing so long as you offer a decent argument instead of being a typical boring atheist like PKC who simply discounts everything you say as "made up" and refuses to read into it any further than a few parts of the bible. Sorry PKC, you are well founded on some things but I'm just going to have to completely ignore any bull you spew about this topic as you obviously know absolutely nothing :) Unless you'd care to offer an argument of substance that isn't a one liner trying to get into everyone's message signature. |
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| junkproject |
| Religion aint got nothing on a cult! JOin my ufo cult! |
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| Moongoose |
Granted that i have only glanced trough this thread since ive been away for a few days, but i found some posts highly disappointing, but none more than pkc's. Seriously man, 9 pages and not one video of Pat, what's up with that? You must have gone trough his entire video library a couple of dozen times, surely he has something on that relates to this discussion.
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
I think your assumption about advances in science debunking Genesis is 100% true, but I can't see science burning it's way through the rest of the bible in quite the same way. Exodus and Deuteronomy for instance are backed up by other evidence from the period. (Albeit, there is some here-say in those books as well, I find it hard to believe Moses parted the water but I don't have a hard time believing he brought the exodus upon the people of Israel and that he was somehow in communication with a higher being).
I know my point of view is a dated one, and not a hip or cool one that makes me seem more up in the times. Atheism is cool nowadays in most westernized countries, but I don't really care and have devoted a large portion of my time for quite a few years now studying the subject on both sides of the aisle so to speak.
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My point wasn't actually about science debunking genesis...my point was that as soon as science showed that genesis was wrong, then genesis was interpreted as allegorical, rather than literal...in order for the bible to keep it's 'divinely inspired' tag.
Obviously there are a number of fools who still interpret genesis as literal!
Regarding Moses, not a shred of evidence has been found that the Israelites were even in the desert in Egypt. According to archaelogists, if the Israelites had been there for 40 years, then they would definitely have left evidence they had been there. However no trace of evidence supporting the account in the bible has been found. |
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| diesel_tron3000 |
| my religion is liberal arts and the sciences and poontang and boomers and ganje and dose and money and the champions league |
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| Alex |
How could wanderers leave evidence? Go to your local corner, do you see evidence someone walked by it yesterday?
But if your suggesting no evidence means it didnt happen, then you should know that archeoligist have used the Bible many times to find ancient buried cities. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
You've just lost any credibility when it comes to questioning the validity or value of the Abrihamic religions. You cannot be expected to be taken seriously in a discussion on any subject when you won't even take the time to understand what it is you're discussing. |
i dont need to eat a sandwhich in order to know it tastes like . |
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