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Why does Ontario keep voting Liberal? (pg. 6)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I do agree with you there.
What kind of "overweight govt social programs" are you particularly against though? |
Our bloated health care system. There needs to be more of a public/private partnership and if people with money want to go to the front of the line they can pay more and subsidize everyone else while also freeing up space. Furthermore pricing and salaries can still be regulated by government in order to ensure a balanced system.
National daycare as proposed by liberals and NDP. No thanks. If you cant afford to have kids, dont have them. Its bad enough that bachalors and seniors have to pay education taxes as it is but at least that goes toward a better educated population as opposed to supporting someone's double income lifestyle.
Gun registries, complicated income and corperate taxes, CRTC, and the list goes on. These are the things that make our country innefficient and helps send jobs overseas.
The green shift is one more burden we do not need. As i said, lets fix the environment with innovative, money making ideas instead of just another new tax. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
That was an NDP idea that the Liberals implemented. |
case closed haha |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
So you are advocating government intervention into private lending practices to stop government intervention into private lending practices? |
who says I want to stop it? And I'm not opposed to government regulation. I do think more needs to be done to protect the consumer at the moment too. I just don't see much protection in "opening more free markets" like Harper, McCain and most conservatives blather on about.
Jay, are you really blaming the ing gun registry and CRTC for having anything to do with well paying manufacturing jobs going "overseas"? That's BS and you know it. The reason they are leaving is because corporations only care about their bottom line and since NAFTA and other global trading agreements can ship them off to such thriving nations as Mexico, in Central America, Indonesia, China, etc. Labour costs are among the easiest to cut and there is absolutely no worker protection. Why do you ignore this?
You want to put more trust in insurance companies for our healthcare? The same ones that have been posting record profits for decades in this country and completely OWN your ass when it comes to premiums? Yikes.
I guess I am more apt to trust my government with things like that than I am the private sector. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
So you think youll save in taxes? Really? Well who will pay it then? Answer is everybody. |
Not quite so simple. What I save in income tax and don't pay back due to my efforts to be more energy efficient will be made up by those who are less so. What this plan really does is reward people who have made the investments to reduce their reliance on fosile fules and those who chose to purchase local goods and services. Some will save money (even after one includes the increased cost for consumer goods) whereas others will pay more. In the end this allows the individual to have additional control over their tax burden... if you want to save money then become more energy efficient and make smarter choices when purchasing consumer goods, if you prefer to maintain the same lifestyle you have now then pay for it... simple as that. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Thanks but no thanks Dion. If you really had a green plan youd start putting solar and wind power as a supplement to the grid in every newly built home. |
Outside of the federal government's jurisdiction. You astound me; how you spout off about politics and government without actually understanding either. Now quick... go check the CPC website to see if there is a pre-written talking point you can use as a retort. |
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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
No. Corprate capitalist! |
I wish we had a Party that was actually Conservative...not those wanna be CPCs...
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| English Rachel |
I really wish I was a Canadian Citizen.
I would definitely be voting liberal. |
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| StereoPrincess |
Tax the carbon!
Tax the carbon!
Tax the carbon!
If you can't afford the tax, don't use the carbon.
Just like Jay said, you can't afford the daycare, don't have the kids. |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Just like Jay said, you can't afford the daycare, don't have the kids. |
I don't actually agree with this.... I looked yesterday at what i would get as far as maternity pay and apparently I would get 15 weeks of 40k salary equivalent.
I couldn't believe it - so I am supposed to save $30k minimum (not even close to earnings - just enough to pay the mortgage and eat) before I even think of taking a year off with a baby??????????
No wonder there aren't enough Canadians to fill the baby boomer retirement holes, it's because having kids has been made impossible for people who work!!!!!! Crazy town.
Daycare is just an extension of this - if you can't afford daycare or it is too big of a chunk of your earnings therefore making going back to work not worthwhile, people aren't going to replenish the population. Simple. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
I don't actually agree with this.... I looked yesterday at what i would get as far as maternity pay and apparently I would get 15 weeks of 40k salary equivalent.
I couldn't believe it - so I am supposed to save $30k minimum (not even close to earnings - just enough to pay the mortgage and eat) before I even think of taking a year off with a baby??????????
No wonder there aren't enough Canadians to fill the baby boomer retirement holes, it's because having kids has been made impossible for people who work!!!!!! Crazy town.
Daycare is just an extension of this - if you can't afford daycare or it is too big of a chunk of your earnings therefore making going back to work not worthwhile, people aren't going to replenish the population. Simple. |
I actually meant to write what I wrote sarcastically regarding the children. Jay is against the carbon tax but said the kids thing, it's hypocritical.
I think Canada needs more and more kids because of the crazy reduction in babies here. Anything to help more children to be born is a good thing.
So to review, I am for more kids and I am for a carbon tax. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
I don't actually agree with this.... I looked yesterday at what i would get as far as maternity pay and apparently I would get 15 weeks of 40k salary equivalent.
I couldn't believe it - so I am supposed to save $30k minimum (not even close to earnings - just enough to pay the mortgage and eat) before I even think of taking a year off with a baby??????????
No wonder there aren't enough Canadians to fill the baby boomer retirement holes, it's because having kids has been made impossible for people who work!!!!!! Crazy town.
Daycare is just an extension of this - if you can't afford daycare or it is too big of a chunk of your earnings therefore making going back to work not worthwhile, people aren't going to replenish the population. Simple. |
Pretty gross isn't it? I expect when that policy was made, women weren't making much more than 40K.
My company doesn't have any top up whatsoever. Hoorah. |
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| English Rachel |
I love Sarah and Margs!
Honestly, my company doesn't have a top up either and yet they had a comprehensive program in the UK so I don't know where I stand there... I will have to look into it because it is absolutely ridiculous that I moved here and reneged all of my rights to maternity pay. Even though my last pay sheet was 8k and I actually received $4691 (before Jay says I haven't paid my way :P).
I don't mind being taxed for the greater good, I just wish it included an opportunity for me and my hubby-to-be to have a baby without bankrupting ourselves
And before anyone gets excited, it is still a couple of years away yet! I just happened to be asked the question yesterday so I looked into it :) |
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