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| UGH!!! |
| Is Protools a good program for producing Trance? |
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| Eric J |
I'm assuming you are referring to ProTools LE and not ProTools HD.
All the major DAW packages are good for producing any kind of music, including trance. ProTools, Logic, Cubase, Ableton, Sonar. All of these allow you to accomplish what you want. |
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| UGH!!! |
| yea, I have protools LE as well as Reason and Cubase and some outboard stuff. i was told that i should be using Ableton. what do you think? |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by UGH!!!
yea, I have protools LE as well as Reason and Cubase and some outboard stuff. i was told that i should be using Ableton. what do you think? |
Don't listen to anyone who tells you what DAW package to use. You need to use what works for YOU and not someone else. If you drove a Toyota, would it be right for me to tell you you need to be driving a Nissan to get somewhere? No. Its the same thing with software. |
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| Stef |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Don't listen to anyone who tells you what DAW package to use. You need to use what works for YOU and not someone else. If you drove a Toyota, would it be right for me to tell you you need to be driving a Nissan to get somewhere? No. Its the same thing with software. |
just to add to that, please buy your software =P |
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| kitphillips |
| Eric, have you ever used pro tools? I have, its not pretty. Cubase is fine for trance, pro tools is the worst DAW you could possibly get for it. Theres a reason why most people run logic as a frontend to their pro tools HD systems. |
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| spolitta |
| quote: | Originally posted by UGH!!!
Is Protools a good program for producing Trance? |
Nothing is good when you don't know how to use it. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Eric, have you ever used pro tools? I have, its not pretty. Cubase is fine for trance, pro tools is the worst DAW you could possibly get for it. Theres a reason why most people run logic as a fro
ntend to their pro tools HD systems. |
I respect that may be your opinion, but I did not think it was nearly as bad as you are making it out to be. The audio editing in ProTools is top notch and there is something to be said for a system where both the hardware and the software come from the same company.
My point to the original poster was that you can use any DAW package to make any kind of music. What is "good" for him may not be "good" for you. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
I respect that may be your opinion, but I did not think it was nearly as bad as you are making it out to be. The audio editing in ProTools is top notch and there is something to be said for a system where both the hardware and the software come from the same company.
My point to the original poster was that you can use any DAW package to make any kind of music. What is "good" for him may not be "good" for you. |
Yes, but have YOU used it? Having the software and hardware from the same manufacturer is not an issue.
I think if you'd used it, you would know that it's simply not practical for EDM (or anything else really). The fact that they use proprietry hardware and plugins should only tip you off that these people are hopeless.
@ the OP what pro tools do you actually have? What hardware? |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Yes, but have YOU used it?
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I've only played with it briefly, but it functioned in the same way as the other DAW packages I used. I have not used it for any length of time, so if your point is that I should not be making an assessment on the software because I haven't used it exclusively for any length of time, then your right. I haven't used it for any length of time. I did spend enough time with it to see that it had all the features you would need to produce tracks with it: MIDI + Audio, external hardware integration, software plugins, etc. I'm not sure what you think ProTools is missing?
For that matter, I've never used Sonar for any length of time either, but that doesn't make it an "incapable" or "inferior" piece of software, does it?
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Having the software and hardware from the same manufacturer is not an issue.
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Maybe not for you, but for some people this is important. From a software/hardware integration design standpoint its much easier to design and debug software if you control both ends of the spectrum. This is also one of the reasons I use Apple products. I like having a product from a company that controls the hardware that their software is run on. Just the general nature of this type of design makes it easier to debug and optimize the combination of hardware and software. I want to spend my time making music, not futzing around with technical issues. I do enough of that at work.
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I think if you'd used it, you would know that it's simply not practical for EDM (or anything else really).
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See, now here is where you have lost me. While you may think that ProTools is not useful for EDM, which I disagree with, the fact is that ProTools is the industry standard for soundtracking, commercial work, tracking and mixing all types of artists and music, EDM included. It has been that way for some time now. For a lot of years it was the ONLY way to do the things we take for granted today.
There ARE artists who use ProTools for EDM (BT and Armin van Buuren for example), so your statement that EDM is not practical for EDM is not fact, but opinion.
Most of the highest-end studios around the world run their systems on ProTools. Many of the best engineers in the world use ProTools. Thie idea that ProTools is not practical is simply not accurate.
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
The fact that they use proprietry hardware and plugins should only tip you off that these people are hopeless.
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I personally do not see anything wrong with proprietary hardware or plugins. If the quality is there, then what is wrong with it? You may not like the system, but there are lots and lots of people who use it successfully every day. Up until recently, it really was the only option for high track counts because computers simply could not handle the amount of information required for high track count sessions, so the DSP alternative had to suffice.
Look, I don't really want to get into a big pissing match over this.
You are entitled to your opinion, and you are entitled to tell me I'm wrong. That's OK by me. It just seems like the statements being made are more from a standpoint that you simply do not like the software, not because the software is somehow "inferior". If you don't like the software, then I have no problem with that. I did not choose it as my primary DAW either, maybe for the same reasons as you: I didn't like the "way" that ProTools worked. It is aimed towards tasks that I do not perform: mainly recording "live" stuff. I just wanted to make the point to the poster, that you can make any kind of music with any of the major DAW packages. If the OP decides that he likes ProTools, then more power to him. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. |
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| Lolo |
It's a little off-topic, but I wanted to tell you this story.
I used to have a 50 000$+ protools mix rig with four Dsp cards and a ton of plugins. So I can share my experience with you.
It was at the end of 2001 and I was running Logic 4 on a Mac G4-400. I was getting a lot of money, so I had to invest in something that was supposed to last for years. I went the protools way, and was wrong...
First of all, for a question of taste, I didn't like the protools software at all, and never ever got used to it, so I was still using logic as a front end, which led to another purchase, ESB and EPIC TDM, two optional plug-ins from Emagic.
I started off with one mix card, which gave me the horsepower of... only 32 tracks of audio and 6 TDM plugins in total!! Not enough of course, so I had to buy another mix card ( 5k!!). Then I had 64 tracks and 20-30 plugins, which was ok as I was rendering all dry fx like eq, compressors, etc... offline thanks to audiosuite compatibiliy.
Then I had a problem with the protools drivers crashing logic, and didn't know how to solve it until I downgraded the software to 5.1.1... something even digi couldn't tell me!! Great when they're supposed to get paid a huge amount of money through their rigs!
I ended up with 4 cards as I could make a deal for an extra pair, and I had to buy a lot of plugins which cost me almost twice the price of the native version as that thing doesn't run tdm alongside with vst or Audiounit plugins. It's a selfish system that runs only TDM plugins in a front end other than protools!
My experience in IT led me to check those cards, how they were designed, looked at the freescale/motorola dsp's on there... and there it is: it cost them maybe 400 Euros for a tdm card while I paid 5 000 for it without any plugin, while I lost compatibility, time because of interleaved/split stereo conversion, all this without any kind of support from their end.
That's not it... In order to upgrade my plugins, Digidesign forced the use of an iLok dongle with future releases.
So, in 2004, when Digidesign dropped support of thousands of dollars investments by saying it wouldn't support the mix cards in os X... I gave up. I didn't want to upgrade to hd, because it would have set me 10k off, AGAIN.
I sold everything, including the computer that came with it. And I remember that Digidesign makes you pay 25 Euros for a license transfer PER plug-in/instrument. As I had dozens of them...
I'm still mad at Digi, but it was my mistake, I didn't have to start with TDM hardware.
So, now you understand my allergy to their software, although I admit that their Digi002/003 racks are incredibly rock solid and sound extremely good.
End of the too long story, but that was a little bit of info.
DO NOT BUY TDM HARDWARE, EVER!! I'd say that, but it's only my opinion.
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| Kevy Kev |
| quote: | Originally posted by UGH!!!
yea, I have protools LE as well as Reason and Cubase and some outboard stuff. i was told that i should be using Ableton. what do you think? |
I think you should use google more as well as the search function there Captain Piracy.
Good informative post Lolo :) |
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