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Dangers of Hookah Smoking (pg. 10)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
just like nobody falls in to upper middle class, because it only exists in the minds of people who want to think they have it better than they actually do. |
What is wrong with attaching gradations to a class label?
Sociologists and economists have studied all of this stuff for years. Try looking beyond your desire to take me down a peg or whatever it is you're after with your little quips. |
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| bigsnail |
| hookahs are cool. i love them. well, i love them w/ weed, not tobacco. |
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| elFreak |
| The thing is, when you tend to attach any gradation to YOURSELF in life, it tends to be exaggerated to what you would like to believe you are. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
I especially like the part where lower income brackets can only be interested in poor people things. Got a job? record buying, ride the train like a hobo! |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
The thing is, when you tend to attach any gradation to YOURSELF in life, it tends to be exaggerated to what you would like to believe you are. |
I don't know what you're going on about with this.
I know (roughly) what my parents earned when I was living with them. This is how I classify myself as "upper middle class"; I am talking about income brackets.
There tend to be (on average) some cultural differences between upper and lower middle class, probably based mostly on educational attainment and the educational attainment of their parents. Highly educated people tend to be interested in different stuff than less-educated people, and they tend to direct their kids toward different kinds of activities. This is a generalization, but a true one according to any sociological data that I know of. There are always exceptions, of course. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Once I go entirely without parental support I will be "formerly upper middle class."
:gsmile: |
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| elFreak |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...6122600772.html
pretentious kid is pretentious.
| quote: | Almost all Americans see themselves as "middle class." To declare yourself middle class is to say you've succeeded without openly bragging that you're superior -- a no-no in a democratic culture. You're like everyone else, only a little more or less so.
Not surprisingly, a recent poll done for the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal think tank, finds that only 2 percent of Americans put themselves in the "upper class" and a mere 8 percent consider themselves "lower class." The large majority classify themselves as "upper-middle class" (17 percent) or "middle class" (45 percent). The rest (27 percent) see themselves as "working class," a stepping stone to the middle class.
Because the "middle class" isn't really the middle -- it's a huge blob -- describing how "it" feels and thinks is usually an act of simplification, exaggeration or invention. Yet that's routine because politicians and commentators want to show that they grasp the hopes and fears of everyday Americans. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Certainly "middle class" is next to impossible to define if you rely on nothing more than self-classification, which is why sociologists often look at more objective measures like income (accounting for cost of living). Those are the kinds of things I have been talking about. Any sociological work will involve simplification or generalization. Generalizations don't apply in every case, but they can be useful in thinking about social class.
Why are you calling me "pretentious?" What do you think I am "pretending" to be? |
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| ÖZmözis |
In before the chinese dude...
and simply don't inhale if you don't want to have the dangers idiots... or just get the herbal kind... |
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| elFreak |
do you disagree with the study that plainly shows people lump themselves into groups because of how they see themselves and not from facts?
Keep saying you know how much mommy and daddy made, and how you always got nice presents and a tit to suck on whenever you wanted to, it still does not make you upper middle class.
In fact the current economical situation in the united states can also be tied in. Why do people live beyond their means? Because they want to belong to an elite that is nothing but a myth. You will see when the real world starts for you kid.:) |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
do you disagree with the study that plainly shows people lump themselves into groups because of how they see themselves and not from facts? |
Not at all. My point is that I am not talking about self-classification according to how somebody "feels" about where they stand, but according to their income, so that article is not even relevant. Can you grasp that? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
In fact the current economical situation in the united states can also be tied in. Why do people live beyond their means? Because they want to belong to an elite that is nothing but a myth. |
I agree, people want to impress others.
But I've never been one to be impressed by income, and I don't care whether people are impressed by my parents' income, either. I regret mentioning the issue now, since I should have known some twit like you would try and paint me as an "elitist."
:p |
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| elFreak |
You are a very smart guy saying not so smart things.
Tell me then, what household salary bracket would be considered upper middle class?
I want facts, and you better also include geographical statistics, because of the huge difference of the cost of living depending on what area you were talking about.
I better not see any wiki here.
I'm not painting you as an elitist, i'm painting you as someone who thinks they are smarter than they really are.
edit: Also start one of your famous threads, so we can have a proper discussion on this. :) |
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