|
York U Students?? (pg. 7)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Are the demands of these instructors really that excessive? Try to think about all perspectives instead of just blaming it on the union like every CEO does when they observe that paying and treating their workers well and rewarding the customers with a better product might cut down on their ing profits.
|
The economy is , and TA's don't deserve any more job security than I do, or anyone else for that matter.
If work hard, you are rewarded.
If your employer doesn't reward you, go somewhere else.
Pretty simple.
It's a move to hold thousands of students hostage - hindering their job prospects by doing so - just so that you can be sheltered from the economic uncertainty that is plaguing every single Canadian right now. |
|
|
| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
The economy is , and TA's don't deserve any more job security than I do, or anyone else for that matter.
If work hard, you are rewarded.
If your employer doesn't reward you, go somewhere else.
Pretty simple.
It's a move to hold thousands of students hostage - hindering their job prospects by doing so - just so that you can be sheltered from the economic uncertainty that is plaguing every single Canadian right now. |
thank you!! |
|
|
| Dave Akermanis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
The economy is , and TA's don't deserve any more job security than I do, or anyone else for that matter.
If work hard, you are rewarded.
If your employer doesn't reward you, go somewhere else.
Pretty simple.
It's a move to hold thousands of students hostage - hindering their job prospects by doing so - just so that you can be sheltered from the economic uncertainty that is plaguing every single Canadian right now. |
amen. |
|
|
| mdiddy |
| strike should be over this week. students should expect to get back on feb 2. |
|
|
| dEsidEL |
highly frustrating ... I'm all for supporting due process within government affairs and what not, but why try to delay the inevitable in what already has been a damaging experience for students and everyone else affected?
| quote: |
NDP says no — again — to York legislation
Efforts to speed up back-to-work bill to end York U. strike stymied by NDP
January 26, 2009
Maria Babbage
THE CANADIAN PRESS
A last-ditch effort to speed up legislation aimed at ending a long strike at Toronto's York University was stymied this afternoon, leaving frustrated students in limbo for at least another few days.
The Liberal government and Opposition Progressive Conservatives wanted to sit until midnight if necessary to get through the debate and pass the back-to-work bill, but the New Democrats refused.
The NDP's opposition to the legislation means the bill won't likely be passed until Thursday, and students will likely have to wait until next week to return to the classroom.
NDP Leader Howard Hampton, who has steadfastly resisted the bill from the beginning, denied he was playing procedural games that would ultimate hurt students.
"I'm sure the McGuinty government wants somebody to blame, but the reality is, there are very serious issues here," Hampton said.
Ontarians need to know that the Liberals are not providing enough funding to the province's universities and that York University didn't bargain in good faith with its employees, he said.
The Liberals and Progressive Conservatives had hoped to pass the bill yesterday when Premier Dalton McGuinty recalled the legislature, but the New Democrats voted against the bill.
Hampton vowed to take all the time allowed under the rules to debate the bill and wouldn't say whether he planned to stall it further by demanding amendments.
York students could have been back in the classroom as soon as tomorrow if the government had told the university to go back to the bargaining table, he said.
"We won't be debating tonight," Hampton said.
"If the government wanted to stay until midnight, they should have thought of that last week."
Debate got off to a heated start in the legislature, with finger-pointing on all sides over who was to blame for the 12-week strike.
The opposition parties accused the Liberals of sitting on their hands for weeks as the strike dragged on, while the Liberals deflected blame to the NDP for delaying the bill's speedy passage.
With Premier Dalton McGuinty absent from the legislature, it was up to self-described attack dog George Smitherman, who is deputy premier, to lead the government's counterattack.
Smitherman accused Hampton of needlessly prolonging the suffering of students, pointing out the NDP supported back-to-work legislation last spring that ended a surprise Toronto transit strike.
"Why are you standing in the way of the opportunity for 50,000 students and their families deeply impacted to get back into the classroom?" Smitherman demanded.
Progressive Conservative Jim Wilson erupted in a rant aimed at Colleges and Universities Minister John Milloy, accusing him of doing little to prevent similar labour disputes at other universities.
"Do something so that we don't have a massive provincewide strike," Wilson shouted.
"Either that, or resign, because you're completely friggin' incompetent."
The strike has kept up to 50,000 York students out of classes since early November.
|
source:
http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/577544
|
|
|
| T_ALI |
| I hope the same thing doesn't happen at U of T. Although there are rumours it might. |
|
|
| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by T_ALI
I hope the same thing doesn't happen at U of T. Although there are rumours it might. |
I'm hearing conflicting rumours. Last I heard it was not likely (this came from several TAs), but then again someone told me that they heard on the radio that U of T TAs and part-time profs could be in a strike position in 3 weeks. |
|
|
| Ania_xox |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
What do people expect when they apply and then go to this school?
York is arguably the most leftist unversity in the country and has been plagued by labour unrest for the last 15 years (even longer many would say). It's an institution driven by unionist ideals - this type of job action is not uncommon (at York).
Although I feel bad for people who have lost time, money and other resources while this strike has been going on... you get what you sign-up for, no? |
dumbest post in the thread
seriously, gtfo |
|
|
| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
The economy is , and TA's don't deserve any more job security than I do, or anyone else for that matter.
If work hard, you are rewarded.
If your employer doesn't reward you, go somewhere else.
Pretty simple.
It's a move to hold thousands of students hostage - hindering their job prospects by doing so - just so that you can be sheltered from the economic uncertainty that is plaguing every single Canadian right now. |
I was on strike last year with the Laurier instructors so I know exactly how they are treated and it's not really any different at any university in Ontario. The issues are the same; pay and benefits and an increasing void of full time academics.
It's ok for universities to accept double the enrollment over the last ten years (and pass that amount on to students), but do they meet that increased demand by hiring more staff? Of course not. Instead, they just let the older professors retire and fill the void by hiring struggling academics for one course (for a whopping income of 6 or 7 thousand per course!! WOW!) That's how we should reward people who spend 10-15 years of their life living on nothing and getting in debt with the government and banks to attain the highest level of education. One professor I knew was in his early 40s, had a kid, and despite publishing articles and participating in book publications, could only get one course at UoT, one course at Western and one at Laurier all in the same term. And he, like countless others, have been scraping that meagre existence together for over 5 years.
I bet York University has no problem handing out their dozens of doctorates for each field every year and taking all that money they get from the student and government. No, it's always the union's fault and those greedy teachers!! Those greedy instructors who are delivering the supposed HIGHEST education available (which costs upward of 6 thousand per student now and that's not counting government subsidies) yet are barely able to survive in the working world.
I'm not even in the university system anymore (partly because I recognised that teaching in the university system is NOT worth it), but I can fully understand the gripes of these instructors. Just because someone chooses teaching as their career DOES NOT mean they lose their right to organise, to strike or to fight for a better overall living.
The university took the student's money for tuition this year. If they can't resolve THEIR labour problems, then THEY should refund student's tuition. I'm really ing tired of people ignorantly blaming unions for everything.
Legislate against them, give the corporations the right to treat people and workers like and see what kind of ing world we get. |
|
|
| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Akermanis
I take issue with a bunch of contract workers whining about their Job security.
In the real world (read: not ridiculously left-wing socialist union land) contract employees don't have collective bargaining to try and demand such ridiculous things. Do you think all of the consultants and temporary full-time workers employed by the Ontario government are unionized? No.
Do you think that all of the consultants and temporary full-time workers employed by the federal government are unionized? No.
Why should these temporary full-time workers be any different?
Stop crying and go back to work. You're ing up people's lives. if you need to make a good salary... get a JOB. Don't TA. As far as I am concerned the compensation you receive for TAing is to supplement your education - not to make a living. |
Do any of you understand the difference between "TA" and course instructor? It doesn't seem like it.
Now, if you really want to get into a contract worker versus full time employee, why don't you go into a faculty's department office at any university. Ask how many full time or "tenured" professors there are in that department. Then ask how many "part time instructors" they also have in their payroll department. At Laurier and Waterloo, the ratio was something like 30% full time professors.
Do you think that 2/3 or 3/4 of any level of government's full time workforce is under 50%? Hmm...get back to me on that.
The reality is that most of you on here don't know anything about how university faculties run their departments or what it's like to actually be a university instructor.
Also, anyone who thinks that the administration cares more about students than the actual instructors, TAs, or professors (as a general rule) are seriously disillusioned. To most Deans or university prresidents, students are "income units" and nothing more. Wake up |
|
|
| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
(partly because I recognised that teaching in the university system is NOT worth it) |
and if more York TAs and part time staff thought the same way, things should naturally work themselves out over time
|
|
|
|
|
