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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
Lets all just hope that Obama puts a strong administration together. His speeches are strong, but his credentials are not. Let him be the face and orator of america, he is the best i have seen in my lifetime. But please can we get some experienced policy makers to turn this mess around. We have given him the house & the senate, now lets see if he can define any of this change he has preached to us. |
people have reservations about his credentials, which is understandable given the amount of rhetoric emphasizing it as a weakness, but the most important characteristic of a strong leader is not experience or a consistent voting record. politicians love harping on experience and voting records because it provides flak for opponents to dish dirt at, but the reality is that those things are sideshows compared to the qualities of temperament and judgment. obama, in the short time we've known him, exhibits the best temperament and the best judgment i have seen of any politician ever. without question.
it's been known forever that most americans hate politics because it's always so negative and after all the back and forth attacks voters develop cynicism for the whole process and end up voting for the lesser of two evils out of fear of the other guy, or just not voting at all. in spite of this knowledge, everyone in washington plays this game because it works. obama could have done the same and seen an easy path to victory, but instead he had the vision and courage to change the game. he rejected the low hanging fruit of negative campaigning from the outset, resisted the urge to make his campaign entirely about bush's failures, and ignored all the slanderous character attacks against him. he recognized that this union has been unraveling ever since the reagan era of 'them versus us' and since then party politics has taken over and made washington useless and americans dumber. rather than feeding into this polarization, he offered real change. he made his campaign about himself and his vision instead of how evil the other half of america is. in the process he set himself up for real bipartisanship. that's how he won and that's how he'll lead.
once you have that quality in a president, everything else comes naturally. you can have a president that knows nothing about current events and geopolitics, but if he has the judgment to pick the best advisers america has to offer and the temperament to make sound decisions in times of massive crisis with overwhelming stress and pressure weighing on him, then you have the best leader you can get. obama's foreign policy team consists of 300 people. 100 of those people are currently applying for security clearances. even fewer will make it into his cabinet. he's already said he's seeking advisers with different backgrounds and perspectives so that he can hear from a spectrum of ideas before he chooses a course of action. contrast that to bush who only hears from yesmen, ideologs and party loyalists. we are in for real change. |
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| getfoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
i want you to know what the you're talking about. |
You want to know WTF I'm talking about?
From Obama's site: "They will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family."
So if some Ding-Dong pays 200 in taxes, they will get a check for 800 to "Help the lower class."
Most of the money that goes to lower class workers comes from this:
"Under Obama’s plan to let the scheduled 2011 tax rate hikes occur, and his plan to raise the self-employment tax on those making more than $250,000, the S corporation rate would rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent. The sole proprietor and partner rate would rise from 37.9 percent all the way up to a staggering 50.3 percent. Many Democrats in Congress have proposed making all small businesses (including S corporations) pay this 50-plus percent rate. A small business tax rate that high would be the highest marginal rate faced by them in nearly a quarter-century."
I don't know about you, but if I had a small company and I had to pay 50% taxes to let some dipstick who is 47 and working at minimum wage instead of getting their act together and moving up, I'd be mad. If I was the lower class worker who got the 1000 dollar handout, I'd love Obama as President.
Please reference this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121910303529751345.html?mod=most_emailed_day |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
people have reservations about his credentials, which is understandable given the amount of rhetoric emphasizing it as a weakness, but the most important characteristic of a strong leader is not experience or a consistent voting record. politicians love harping on experience and voting records because it provides flak for opponents to dish dirt at, but the reality is that those things are sideshows compared to the qualities of temperament and judgment. obama, in the short time we've known him, exhibits the best temperament and the best judgment i have seen of any politician ever. without question.
it's been known forever that most americans hate politics because it's always so negative and after all the back and forth attacks voters develop cynicism for the whole process and end up voting for the lesser of two evils out of fear of the other guy, or just not voting at all. in spite of this knowledge, everyone in washington plays this game because it works. obama could have done the same and seen an easy path to victory, but instead he had the vision and courage to change the game. he rejected the low hanging fruit of negative campaigning from the outset, resisted the urge to make his campaign entirely about bush's failures, and ignored all the slanderous character attacks against him. he recognized that this union has been unraveling ever since the reagan era of 'them versus us' and since then party politics has taken over and made washington useless and americans dumber. rather than feeding into this polarization, he offered real change. he made his campaign about himself and his vision instead of how evil the other half of america is. in the process he set himself up for real bipartisanship. that's how he won and that's how he'll lead.
once you have that quality in a president, everything else comes naturally. you can have a president that knows nothing about current events and geopolitics, but if he has the judgment to pick the best advisers america has to offer and the temperament to make sound decisions in times of massive crisis with overwhelming stress and pressure weighing on him, then you have the best leader you can get. obama's foreign policy team consists of 300 people. 100 of those people are currently applying for security clearances. even fewer will make it into his cabinet. he's already said he's seeking advisers with different backgrounds and perspectives so that he can hear from a spectrum of ideas before he chooses a course of action. contrast that to bush who only hears from yesmen, ideologs and party loyalists. we are in for real change. |
Exactly, JFK was also considered "inexperienced" but proved without doubt that making the correct, measured decisions under extreme stress, taking the advice of well chosen associates and not giving in to scare tactics is far more important than office experience.
Actually what this country needed is someone who isn't tied to the people and administration, which is nationally and globally recognized to be a complete disaster, resulting in the weakening (on both fronts) of America's once solid political standing and economic clout.
Whether you like Obama or not as a person (or what at least you think you know of him), he is without doubt an extremely intelligent, thoughtful, persistant, calm and educated man, with a powerful understanding of other cultures - a complete reversal of Bush and his (or should I say Dick's and Donald's) administration.
He killed McCain both in the debates and the presidential race as a whole, with calmness and thoughtful direction.
The people of this country, including a lot of born and bred Republicans, showed by voting yesterday that fear cannot overcome hope, and that the republican party in it's recent form has no place in politics.
We can over and over the details of how Obama won and McCain lost but the bottom line is, this wasn't a tight result - in fact it was the largest electoral win in over 20 years and largest popular victory in nearly 30 years. It's the biggest Democratic win since 1964.
Read it and weep (T.U.R.D - aka our bitch for the next 4 years), you're alone out there, clinging on to your outdated beliefs, and please keep doing so, it means you will never see your party ever regain control of this country or the white house. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by getfoul
You want to know WTF I'm talking about?
From Obama's site: "They will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family."
So if some Ding-Dong pays 200 in taxes, they will get a check for 800 to "Help the lower class."
Most of the money that goes to lower class workers comes from this:
"Under Obama’s plan to let the scheduled 2011 tax rate hikes occur, and his plan to raise the self-employment tax on those making more than $250,000, the S corporation rate would rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent. The sole proprietor and partner rate would rise from 37.9 percent all the way up to a staggering 50.3 percent. Many Democrats in Congress have proposed making all small businesses (including S corporations) pay this 50-plus percent rate. A small business tax rate that high would be the highest marginal rate faced by them in nearly a quarter-century."
I don't know about you, but if I had a small company and I had to pay 50% taxes to let some dipstick who is 47 and working at minimum wage instead of getting their act together and moving up, I'd be mad. If I was the lower class worker who got the 1000 dollar handout, I'd love Obama as President.
Please reference this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121...ost_emailed_day |
"If I had a business" etc. - Joe the (idiot) Plumber nonsense all over again. Jesus.
Listen, You don't make close to $250,000 (clear) and try to remember that is $250,000 NET PROFIT, not gross. You would be in the top 1% of small businesses in this country if you did, so stop bitching about that doesn't exist yet. Yes these rises would happen if you earn that much, by why the not? You can afford to if you're making $250,000 PROFIT clear a year.
An who the are you to judge other people and their professions? I get paid well, but a lot of people's lives don't work out great (and a lot of peoples lives have been ruined by Bush) so good on you if you're 47 and trying to make a living flipping burgers for minimum wage. I sure as hell hope that if you're mom or dad lost their job and had to work for minimum wage (because their pension was killed in the economic disaster) that the government would help them out with a tax break. You don't seem to get that a lot of people are financially ruined in the US and need some help.
...and if they get help, then they can buy (from your imaginary plumbing company) and make you rich. |
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| getfoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN Yes these rises would happen if you earn that much, by why the not? You can afford to if you're making $250,000 PROFIT clear a year.
An who the are you to judge other people and their professions? I get paid well, but a lot of people's lives don't work out great (and a lot of peoples lives have been ruined by Bush) so good on you if you're 47 and trying to make a living flipping burgers for minimum wage. I sure as hell hope that if you're mom or dad lost their job and had to work for minimum wage (because their pension was killed in the economic disaster) that the government would help them out with a tax break. You don't seem to get that a lot of people are financially ruined in the US and need some help.
...and if they get help, then they can buy (from your imaginary plumbing company) and make you rich. |
So you're perfectly OK with 50% in taxes? You're OK with the Government take your HARD EARNED money from you and just hand it to anyone who didn't work nearly as hard as you did? You want to make it seem like it's ok to have a crappy job? I don't care about special circumstances, there are more people who sit around and wait for their welfare and food stamps to come in the mail than the people you mentioned. I sure as hell don't want the money I earned taken from me by force and handed to this woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by getfoul
So you're perfectly OK with 50% in taxes? You're OK with the Government take your HARD EARNED money from you and just hand it to anyone who didn't work nearly as hard as you did? You want to make it seem like it's ok to have a crappy job? I don't care about special circumstances, there are more people who sit around and wait for their welfare and food stamps to come in the mail than the people you mentioned. I sure as hell don't want the money I earned taken from me by force and handed to this woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI |
More bull scare tactics - face it they don't work!...just ask McCain!
This woman is not saying that Obama is going to give her hand outs - just that she will be able to pay her mortgage and put gas in her car because the economy will get better under Obama. It's incredibly cynical (and stupid) to think that she is saying I don't have to pay my bills because Obama will. I know all the vids on youtube are edited to make it look like that to the simple mind, but seriously think a little harder and deeper when faced propaganda.
50% taxes? not worried about it. If the country that I live in allows me to prosper to the point I earn over $250,000 in a single year, then I have no problem paying something back to it. $250,000 a year is a lot of money - it's not just comfortable, you a nicely rich if you earn this in a year.
Who or what do you think is going to pay for the tens of thousands injured and disabled vets who are going to come back from the wars(!), needing rehabilitation and welfare so the country they fought for can provide at last for them? Obama didn;t ask for these wars, but somehow he has to ay for them, both in Iraq, with Iraq's money and at home with ours.
You think we should tax the poor (like McCain wanted to) to pay for that? Get real. Tax the people that can afford it The top 1%), so the people who can't will have a chance of getting out of the poverty trap.
It's not OK to have a crappy job (who the wants a crappy job duh?) but in some places that's all there is and sometimes you get born in to the wrong family, wrong town or go to the wrong school or get hit by the wrong car. What then? just buck your ideas up, I suppose?
People should always strive for more and to do better but sometimes you need help, especially with the disaster that is George Bush, and who else should give that support other the government?
Yes, it an ideal world it would be great to pay no taxes, but we're far from it.
Just look at it this way. The more money the average (not rich) person has the more they can buy or spend on. The more they do this, the more businesses benefit and the whole economy benefits, everyone does well. Just so you as a republican can understand it: It's like Reganomics, only instead of the rich keeping that money that was meant to trickle down, it will actually trickle down in tax payments, and the crumbling infrastructure in the USA will be repaired too.
Honestly, I'm trying to help you understand the myths that have been proliferated over the 21 months and I can't say it any clearer that than that, so if you still want to argue, please bring it up at your next NRA meeting. |
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| T.A.S.D. |
"but the most important characteristic of a strong leader is not experience or a consistent voting record."---R!ch
Another brilliant one from R!ch. I don't even have to comment on this one. It plainly speaks for itself. ha ha ha.. Libtard!
"he resisted the urge to make his campaign entirely about bush's failures," ---R!ch
That's one of the top reasons he won! He successfully duped 52% of you into believing McCain = Bush.
"he made his campaign about himself and his vision instead of how evil the other half of america is. in the process he set himself up for real bipartisanship. that's how he won and that's how he'll lead."---R!ch
Oh really? Well yes the campaign is all about him. You're right there. Real bipartisanship? You kidding? You mean by starting with the Rahm Emanuel appointment. Well, delusion is a symptom of Libtardism.
"you can have a president that knows nothing about current events and geopolitics, but if he has the judgment to pick the best advisers america has to offer and the temperament to make sound decisions in times of massive crisis loyalists"---R!ch
Yeah... Ha ha some more. He's demonstrated sound judgement in his past with his associations with some real stand up characters. Ha ha ha. |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| Wow!!! this thread just got more interesting!!! |
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| T.A.S.D. |
| quote: | Originally posted by xenpro
lol ... congrads now you are a junior TA and our bitch for the next 4 years |
Ahhh correction Libtard. You leftards and Obama are my personal bitch for the next 4 years. You see, I will unyieldingly be steadfast to point out one broken campaign promise after another (read = Obama's unconvincing tax cut plan on 95% of Americans) and keep reminding you (well you'll just tell me anyways) how your miserable lives filled with doom and gloom glaringly will blamed on your banking on government being the answer to happiness and prosperity.
I've said it more than once that it is up to each individual and its accountability to themselves to fluorish and thrive without a reliance on governemnt since government is not responsible for it as you see it. This true fundamental of conservatism works 100% everytime it's tried. Even the majority of your side practice this in their personal lives, rendering them total hypocrites in what the spew at you from the left. |
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| T.A.S.D. |
| quote: | Originally posted by TommyfromLA
Tommyfromla projects major gains in the US stock markets tomorrow!! :)- |
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| lol good stuff in this thread :D |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by T.A.S.D.
Ahhh correction Libtard. You leftards and Obama are my personal bitch for the next 4 years. You see, I will unyieldingly be steadfast to point out one broken campaign promise after another (read = Obama's unconvincing tax cut plan on 95% of Americans) and keep reminding you (well you'll just tell me anyways) how your miserable lives filled with doom and gloom glaringly will blamed on your banking on government being the answer to happiness and prosperity.
I've said it more than once that it is up to each individual and its accountability to themselves to fluorish and thrive without a reliance on governemnt since government is not responsible for it as you see it. This true fundamental of conservatism works 100% everytime it's tried. Even the majority of your side practice this in their personal lives, rendering them total hypocrites in what the spew at you from the left. |
its only fair that you do so. the "libtards" would have done the same if mccain had won. and its important to have a voice from the "otherside".
just remember everyone, this Tranceaddict. And most of us are all friends on here. Or at least you guys are all friends to me. keep the feedback and comments coming, but lets also remember to keep it civil. (is that the right word? just took a rip). |
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