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Mcguinty's ban-a-thon continues - If you are under 21 don't expect to have a life! (pg. 4)
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
lol, I'd like to know where I can get a beer downtown for 4 dollars! |
Sneaky Dees? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
The problem with this stance each and every time is that you completely ignore empirical evidence that indicates that parents aren't being parents, and adults aren't being adults. |
The ones that aren't being parents and aren't being adults are the minority.....and they shouldn't be the ones that dictate how the rest of society is treated. If we were all treated like the slow kid in grade one just think what we would be like now. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by NuERA
If you have a drink and wait one hour technically you should be back at 0, so i don't see the point.
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this is a rule of thumb and can vary greatly from person to person. If you get caught with 0.01 what will you tell the cop, sir but i waited one hour after my last drink... yeah. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Sneaky Dees? |
In that case, a cab is still cheaper for me ; ) |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
In that case, a cab is still cheaper for me ; ) |
lol
as if people only have ONE beer anyway
jokes!
I have nothing against this new regulation - immediately horrible accidents come to mind, not so long ago there was one either in Sauga or R. Hill? 4 or 5 girls in a car, under 21, none were wearing seatbelts and alcohol/speed were the factors.. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
lol, I'd like to know where I can get a beer downtown for 4 dollars! |
Lots of places... actually sometimes cheaper. And there is more to ontario than downtown toronto ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
The problem with this stance each and every time is that you completely ignore empirical evidence that indicates that parents aren't being parents, and adults aren't being adults. |
There will always be a segment of any society at any age who acts in an antisocial manner. What you fail to see is that not all people should be punished arbitrarily for the actions of a small few. Instead, the small minority of people who commit anti social behaviour should be dealt with in a strict manner. Sadly, Canada likes to punish the masses and give a slap on the wrist to those who are actually caught doing something wrong.
I appeared as a witness to a drunk driving charge a few weeks ago where the guy smashed into a car while apparently drunk off his ass. I I saw the whole thing. He then resisted arrest and had to be taken down by several cops. He was given an $800 fine and a year's driving suspension upon conviction. (he was not under 21 BTW).
So we treat actual criminals this lightly yet we are supposed to accept these restrictions on law abiding adults and parents?
I dont buy it.
The reform should be in how we treat actual offenders, NOT babying law abiding adults and coddling them into a sense of false protection thanks to nanny government laws. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The ones that aren't being parents and aren't being adults are the minority.....and they shouldn't be the ones that dictate how the rest of society is treated. If we were all treated like the slow kid in grade one just think what we would be like now. |
exactly... and look at how dumbed down society is becoming. I blame the culture of allowing everyone to blame everything but themselves. The government encourages this with every nanny law it passes. |
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| Jayx1 |
| BTW i expect that with this law passed, they will also pass a law forcing full service transit overnight and extended transit into rural ontario to compensate for the nightmarish consequences this will have on young people's time and money. Also, Imagine all the extra cars that will be on the road now that people cant carpool? |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Mcguinty had it right the first time... |
sorry, I just had to quote that. It's the first time in recent memory (if at all) that you've said something positive about a Liberal politician at any level, lol. (btw...bash the gov't of the other 3 provinces who implemented this already, not just the McGuinty gov't).
I support the crackdown on those driving with suspended licenses. If you can't comply with a suspension based upon trust, then you forfeit the right to a sentence that relies on passively monitored compliance. Fines? Jail?
This "zero blood alcohol level" though seems pointless and there's a breakdown in the logic:
| quote: | | "Those between 16 and 25 represent 13.7 per cent of the population, but 32.1 per cent of the alcohol-related traffic deaths. Impaired driving remains the number one criminal cause of death in our country." |
if accurate (and assuming they've accounted for other related factors), this correlation obviously supports taking a closer look at young drivers and alcohol consumption. What this stat FAILS to address is what the blood alcohol level was for those drivers who caused accidents.
If they were all above the legal limit of 0.08, and young people with 0.08 or less are no more likely than an adult driver with 0.08 to cause an accident, then there is no logic behind revising current legislation.
I'd like to see the other studies, such as this (at least they ARE using studies, not just making this up as they go along):
| quote: | | Studies show just one teenage passenger with a teen driver doubles the chances of an accident. |
again...frilly stats that have no qualifying comments. Ok, so it doubles the chance of an accident. Doubles it from x to 2x, but we don't know what x is. If it doubles it from 1% to 2%, that is statistically significant. If it doubles it from 0.00001% to 0.00002%, it is not so significant and other factors likely play a larger role.
It also fails to note whether or not the same doubling effect exists for adults who have a passenger (because, if so, then shouldn't the legislation apply to everyone?).
shoddy stats in the media...but that's nothing new. |
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| Sorin.16v |
The're doing this all wrong.
Better driver training and tougher tests are what is needed, especially at young age when it's easier to learn. They should teach drivers car control skills, emergency situation maneuvers, and how to react to the road and other drivers around them. It's so easy to get a license in this country, all you have to do is follow the basic rules. That's simply not enough to give someone a license. Most people are clueless on what to do if anything goes wrong. |
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