Originally posted by English Rachel
but the point I am trying to make is that these are rules made trying to protect people, what's so wrong with that?
not surprised hearing this from you, the british are the champions in nanny state policies.
English Rachel
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Originally posted by Yohan
he did.
enforce the current drunk driving laws and slap a tough penalty on anyone breaking the offence.
educate
I agree with this but you can't suddenly revive laws that have been lax. You will get people finding evidence of Johnny getting off when he had x amount of alcohol in his system etc etc and using this to fight their case to the point where we lose effectiveness of a law. At the end of the day, if you have one beer, do you think you're going to get prosecuted? No, unless you're being a prick. The law always has to be stronger than the enforced penalty because otherwise, there would be no room for interpretation. I can't believe that many of you can't see this!
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Originally posted by Frenchie
Why is Rachel out of her mind? She's right.
<3
Yohan
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Originally posted by English Rachel
I agree with this but you can't suddenly revive laws that have been lax. You will get people finding evidence of Johnny getting off when he had x amount of alcohol in his system etc etc and using this to fight their case to the point where we lose effectiveness of a law. At the end of the day, if you have one beer, do you think you're going to get prosecuted? No, unless you're being a prick. The law always has to be stronger than the enforced penalty because otherwise, there would be no room for interpretation. I can't believe that many of you can't see this!
Law must be enforced, but has to be backed by strong penalty, otherwise there is no deterrent.
Frankly, I wouldn't give a what the law says, if I know that penalty for breaking a law means i get a slap on the wrist.
Come up with all the laws you want. But if I'm not scared of breaking that law, doesn't matter how many laws there are.
The cops and the court system is already overworked as it is.
StereoPrincess
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Originally posted by Jayx1
Lots of places... actually sometimes cheaper. And there is more to ontario than downtown toronto ;)
lol. as if.
English Rachel
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Originally posted by Yohan
Law must be enforced, but has to be backed by strong penalty, otherwise there is no deterrent.
Frankly, I wouldn't give a what the law says, if I know that penalty for breaking a law means i get a slap on the wrist.
Come up with all the laws you want. But if I'm not scared of breaking that law, doesn't matter how many laws there are.
The cops and the court system is already overworked as it is.
I understand that from an adult perspective but seriously, use your intelligence (that I know you have) and look at the probable reason for this even being considered, let alone passed. A cultural change.
Can you honestly say that it doesn't make sense from a re-education perspective? If new drivers are used to zero tolerance, doesn't that bode well for future adults? I think it does....
Frenchie
As pathetic as this sounds...it really doesn't matter what the law says. People continue to break the law, break families and break themselves. People are ignorant, arrogant, and selfish. what ever law is passed, there will always be fools and hooligans breaking it. The harder they enforce it...the harder people break it. Don't say no, you all know it happens.
Oh and....I don't know how or why driving with alcohol in your system wasn't illegal before.
StereoPrincess
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Originally posted by kaniz
So, if your driving somewhere alone - fine
Driving somewhere with ONE friend - fine
Driving some where with 2 or 3 friends? Sorry - ask mom & pops to take you there? eh?
this is so ing stupid to me.
i think this would actually increase the number of people drunk driving because it increases the amount of drivers.
so now out of 5 people, 3 have to drive. really? 3 people won't drink?
DUMB!
And has no one even considered the environmental impact? not to be a treehugger, but this is so stupid. we should be encouraging more carpooling. if kids want to carpool to school, now they can't?
TEACH KIDS BETTER DRIVING NOT SPEND MONEY ENFORCING THESE LAWS.
P.S. Yes to the no drinking.
Swamper
If this passes I predict an increase in rear window tints...lol
There is too much crammed in here to pass - if they were smart they'd pick one of these measures and iron it out.
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Under the proposed legislation, young Ontario drivers caught speeding would face a series of escalating sanctions, starting with a 30-day licence suspension. That grows to 90 days for a second offence and to a total suspension for a third offence. The person would then have to start over with beginner's driver training courses and apply for a new licence.
3 Offences within what time frame/license grade/age? How vague.
Where is Adam Vaughan in all this? I know it's provincial but someone should tell him about how this would increase the # of cars in the entertainment district. He'll love that! haha
Spam
I'm all for 0 tolerance for drunk-driving
I think that 0-tolerance for speeding is a tad much... I think you should get one chance to clean up your act (I did, I got a 49 over in my first couple months as a driver on my G2 and haven't took it that far EVER since, nice clean record 5 years later).
I'm 50/50 on agreeing with the passenger limitations... I know that when I was a new driver, when I had someone in the back-seat, passenger side, I was often unable to properly check my blind on that side, until a couple of scary close-calls taught me the proper way. I also know that 16-17 year olds can do lots of stupid things to drivers that were done to me. A little thing like a poke in the ribs from some idiot in the back seat can be enough to cause an accident, and 16-17 year old passengers just don't understand that.
Depending on what age they lift these limitations (I'd say 19 is fair), then I could support all of these young-driver rules. I remember how stupid *I* was as a young driver, and I'm one of the ones that could be considered SAFE!
But, I really don't care about these laws. Driving is a privilege, and I've already earned mine :D
Yohan
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Originally posted by English Rachel
I understand that from an adult perspective but seriously, use your intelligence (that I know you have) and look at the probable reason for this even being considered, let alone passed. A cultural change.
Can you honestly say that it doesn't make sense from a re-education perspective? If new drivers are used to zero tolerance, doesn't that bode well for future adults? I think it does....
Fine. Zero tolerance by enforcing the current laws which I think does the job well enough sufficiently.
Education works. Look how many people consider DDs before hitting the club or the bars now, compared to before.
I fail to see how limiting how many passengers you can have before 21, or no drink and drive before 21 is going to change the culture. More, I think teens and young adults would rebel against such measures. Already the rules are so restrictive that kids do whatever to get around the drinking laws anyways.
What I have problem with this law is that it doesn't reason with people.
It merely says, "If you disobey, you're going to get whacked."
Instead of, "You shouldn't do this, because this is bad for you" and listing reasons why it is bad.
You can tell someone, or you can help them understand. Law doesn't help people to understand. Education does.
Or go the other way, and slap a draconian penalty for breaking drinking laws. Don't do half ass measures and make a law, but don't back it up with stiff penalty.
I have zero tolerance for impaired driving. But I don't need the govt to nanny me in order to know why this is bad. More restrictive the bonds are, more people rebel against it.
English Rachel
I agree with most of that Yohan, but can you see nanny Canada allowing ads like this when '' is bleeped out of shows?...
ZERO tolerance for all! YEY!! I am going to start a rally... lol
And I DON'T agree with the passenger limitation, my pimpleface example was just my food for thought as to why that would be included in this motion.... I understand the logic but I don't think it works in principle, that's my conclusion on that :)
Jayx1
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Originally posted by Yohan
But the govt must look like it SEEMS to be doing something :rolleyes:
Next thing you know, the age of drinking is going to get up to 21yrs old
im quite honestly surprised that under mcguinty, this hasnt happened already
