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| Ativan, makes me much less drowsy compared to xanax |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Lorazepam. Clonazpepam. Diazepam. Any of the pams. |
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| PETRAN |
What kind of anxiety problem do you have?
Buspar for mild-medium anxiety
or the drug-free choice of Cognitive-Behavioural Therapy
Stay away from the benzos. |
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| BobDobalina |
I have anxiety in certain social situations. Like when there's too many people in a small cramped room I start to sweat profusely and when I think others in the room are looking at me sweat I start getting even more nervous and sweaty. It looks weird. I also get anxiety attacks when I'm waiting in lines say at the post office or grocery store.
I know alcohol isnt for this but I've used it to combat this problem. I tried xanax and while it works a little I feel really sleepy a few hours later. |
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| Dj Nacht |
| quote: | Originally posted by BobDobalina
I have anxiety in certain social situations. Like when there's too many people in a small cramped room I start to sweat profusely and when I think others in the room are looking at me sweat I start getting even more nervous and sweaty. It looks weird. I also get anxiety attacks when I'm waiting in lines say at the post office or grocery store.
I know alcohol isnt for this but I've used it to combat this problem. I tried xanax and while it works a little I feel really sleepy a few hours later. |
By the time your pill would kick you are out of the store already! Try picking up a book on anxiety that will help you more then any pill. My biggest and best opinion... the doctor is last resort! that will only give you pills and tell you to funk off. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by BobDobalina
I have anxiety in certain social situations. Like when there's too many people in a small cramped room I start to sweat profusely and when I think others in the room are looking at me sweat I start getting even more nervous and sweaty. It looks weird. I also get anxiety attacks when I'm waiting in lines say at the post office or grocery store.
I know alcohol isnt for this but I've used it to combat this problem. I tried xanax and while it works a little I feel really sleepy a few hours later. |
Try taking half your normal dosage. Everyone is different. I can take two bars and drink a six pack and party until the morning, but if I give one of my friends half a bar they will pass out in an hour. Take less and/or tell your doctor it is causing drowsiness. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by BobDobalina
I have anxiety in certain social situations. Like when there's too many people in a small cramped room I start to sweat profusely and when I think others in the room are looking at me sweat I start getting even more nervous and sweaty. It looks weird. I also get anxiety attacks when I'm waiting in lines say at the post office or grocery store.
I know alcohol isnt for this but I've used it to combat this problem. I tried xanax and while it works a little I feel really sleepy a few hours later. |
So, it looks like you have panic disorder possibly with agoraphobia. It may feel serious but it is not really something severe or life-threatening. I would strongly suggest you to undergo Cognitive-Behavioural Therapy since it can work miracles in such anxiety-related disorders. 10-15 sessions and you will be back on track. Find a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist who is trained in CBT (usually a clinical psychologist). It has been proven to have similar (or slightly better) results with pharmacotherapy, but with the enormous advantage that it is free of side-effects and leaves you free of relapse for at least two years after the end of treatment (although it can easily be for a life-time). Do that as soon as possibly, this conditions tends to become chronic if left untreat (although you can still combat it with such therapies, it will be a bit more challenging and difficult, both for you and the therapist).
If you want to go with pharmacotherapy, then my previous suggestion-BuSpar-is possibly not right for you. The drugs of choice for what you describe are anti-depressants, especially the newer SSRIs (Selective Serotonic Reaptake Inhibitors- e.g. Paroxetine). Note that you have to take them for at least 15 days to one month to feel the change, but once it occurs your condition may stabilize. I'm strongly against starting SSRIs though since they have side-effects, plus you have to possibly take them for a life-time (!). At least start with CBT and if you see that it doesn't work for you 9it usually works), then cautiously proceed with SSRIs. CBT seems to have a slightly higher probability of working in comparison to SSRIs anyway.
In any case, stop taking Xanax because its a devilish drug (every benzodiazepine is actually). Those anxiolytic agents are only good in the short-term (those drugs are usuallu administered before surgery etc. they are not meant to be taken for more than a few days), you don't want to be severely addicted to those hellish drugs for a life-time seriously.
In any case, the gold-treatment of choice for your situation is CBT, this is what research states. You have also to try and "unlearn" that anxiety yourself, don't expect some miracle drug to "cure" you. |
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| Zild |
I don't agree. My doctors tried to give me therapy which I think is a bunch of bull and didn't work, and SSRIs which only lead to a bunch of homicidal and maniacal thoughts that really freaked me out, so my doctors told me not to take them anymore. The only thing that works for me are benzos and I only need them rarely when I get an attack and I can't breathe right and my neck/chest muscles start tensing up.
I'm not saying don't try the therapy because it might help you. It didn't for me but everyone is different. I personally think therapy and psychology are utter bull and a big joke, and that psychologists are total hacks, so I doubt having an attitude like that was conducive to getting good results. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
I don't agree. My doctors tried to give me therapy which I think is a bunch of bull and didn't work, and SSRIs which only lead to a bunch of homicidal and maniacal thoughts that really freaked me out, so my doctors told me not to take them anymore. The only thing that works for me are benzos and I only need them rarely when I get an attack and I can't breathe right and my neck/chest muscles start tensing up. |
Yeah but what kind of therapy did he try to give you? There are many forms of psychotherapy, e.g. many psychiatrists use "Psychodynamic therapy/Psychoanalysis" (talking about the past a lot etc.) of which there is no scientific evidence that it works for anxiety-related conditions ( it usually confuses people with such conditions even more). CBT is the only form of psychotherapy that is empirically tested through numerous (countless) studies and it is based on a huge bibliography. Many Cognitive models based on experimental data have been developed for a range of conditions with a famous one being for Panic Disorder with or without agoraphobia.
Take a look in the site of the Royal College of Psychiatrists in England.
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalheal...tments/cbt.aspx
How effective is CBT?
It is one of the most effective treatments for conditions where anxiety or depression is the main problem
What other treatments are there and how do they compare?
CBT is as effective as antidepressants for many forms of depression. It may be slightly more effective than antidepressants in treating anxiety
Tranquillisers should NOT (personal emphasis) be used as a long term treatment for anxiety. CBT is a better option.
But ofcourse as in ANY therapy-with drugs or not-
CBT isn't for everyone and another type of talking treatment may work better for you.
I have to add though that not everyone is equally experienced in providing CBT, so if one is dissapointed with one doctor and his CBT outcome, then my advice would be to give CBT a chance with another professional before going into drugs.
As for SSRIs, they also don't work for everyone but the "suicidal thoughts" you describe are quite rare side-effects. You could be this "rare" case who knows.
In any case stort encouraging the use of such drugs. Just because you are found in this situation doesn't mean it is the optimal one, nor that is equally good for everyone. I guess that shooting heroine would be even better wtf. The extensive prescription of benzodiazepines is inappropriate unless the problem is extremely severe anyway.
Remember that personal experiences are radically different to the scientific consensus. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
You should probably refrain from commenting with things you have little knowledge about.
To the OP: You could try Phenibut, it's available online cheap and without a prescription. Also, talk to your physician. |
I'v barred out and seen friends take 4-5 of the mofockers. Didn't knock us out...:rolleyes:...It neuralyzed our brains though..
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I'v barred out and seen friends take 4-5 of the mofockers. Didn't knock us out...:rolleyes:...It neuralyzed our brains though..
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Yeah I get complete amnesia and a sore ass in the morning if I take more than 2 bars.
Have had friends wake up in construction yards and ... scary .
For OP if he isn't trolling: I agree with whoever mentioned behavioral therapy, but unfortunately for most a strong psyche is required to metaprogram the deeper levels of your subconscious. It takes years, and though a psychologist (note: psychologist, not a psychiatrist!) can help point you in the right direction, its really all you and different for everyone. It's much more rewarding in the long run also in that you won't just potentially lose your anxiety but you can gain a lot of other positive psychological strengths that aid in moving through this world. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
I'm not saying don't try the therapy because it might help you. It didn't for me but everyone is different. I personally think therapy and psychology are utter bull and a big joke, and that psychologists are total hacks, so I doubt having an attitude like that was conducive to getting good results. |
I just saw this edit lol. I guess that having such an attitude towards therapy could hinder the "therapeutic effects". I have to say though that this belief is basically wrong, simple as that. I guess that you don't know a lot of stuff about psychology anyway, psychology is not only about talk-therapies and psychological ways of treating conditions. As in every science, it is divided in "basic" and "applied" fields. So, all "basic" fields of psychology such as Biological, Cognitive, Social etc. are a big joke? All those countless experiments and the many stuff we have learned about the workings and functions of (brain-)mind-behaviour (from 1900-present day) are a big joke? You understand that this is just not possible/rational. Your goverment (possibly) funds lots of money to cognitive psychologists/neuroscientists to perform their fMRI psychological experiments on normal (and disordered) human subjects. Buy an issue of "Scientific American" and chances are that you are probably going to read an article about some cognitive function, a behavioural experiment or the interaction between the brain (anatomical or physiological corellates) and the cognitive function/behaviour. Most of basic psychological research is cognitive in nature and it is considered to be a branch of the "natural sciences". Cognitive experiments involve the understanding of the mind through the quantification of behavioural parameters (e.g. reaction times and/or performance) and may be related with neural corellates or even the simulation of the model by computational means (e.g. neural networks). Biological psychologists (also called "behavioural neuroscientists") perform experiments on animals (and possibly involves the direct manipulation of both psychological-cognitive and biological-physiological/pharmacological etc. parameters respectively. I view those stuff as important and exciting as cosmology.
An in every science though, applied psychology-such as clinical, educational,industrial,counselling, neuropsychology etc.- has a different focus than basic psychological research, the focus been on "solving problems" rather than understanding mind and behaviour for the sake of understanding it. As a result, in order to achieve that goal, the methods of applied psychology could deviate from the strict empirical protocol that is found in basic research. You can find more scientifically "medium/mild" stuff here such as the use of corellations and factor analysis rather than ANOVAs (stuff used in social sciences rather than natural ones). It is still based on quantitative research though and it is still very important in all those settings that it is applied. For example clinical psychologists are not only important in providing the empirically validated CBT, but also in administering psychometric tests such as IQ tests (e.g. the WAIS), Personality tests and Psychopathology tests. All these are extremely imprortant and helpfull tools in the systematic evaluation of a condition, and what it can be done in order to "solve" it.
Neuropsychologists for example are essential in neurological services in which patients with neurological problems need to be evaluated for their cognitive functions in a standardised manner. This is where clinical neuropsychologists come to the picture. They know all the neuropsychological literature about what cognitive tests evaluate, in relation to the site of the brain-damage. They are very important in providing the neurologist with extra information and also play an essential role in the rehabilitation process (cognitive or even psychomotor rehabilitation).
Educational psychologists use similar tools in order to solve problems at school, Industrial psychologists possibly perform the most scientific human-resource management possible. Its because they use such standardised psychometric tools on the selection of the individual and understand all those social psychology experiments about how people function in groups or in the work-place ,maximising human performance etc.
So, whilst "applied" psychology may not be as "hardly" scientific as its' "basic" research areas, it is still scientific and very important on the evaluation and solution of problems, be it neurological, psychological, educational or occupational.
So, try to learn the objective facts and what psychology really is before forming those biased opinions. ;)
Now thats a long response for da CoR :wtf:
CoR version: Psychology pWnEs Lolz. |
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