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| Zild |
| I don't see psychology as a science. Sorry but that is my opinion. Let us not argue because there is no reason to argue over opinions. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
I don't see psychology as a science. Sorry but that is my opinion. Let us not argue because there is no reason to argue over opinions. |
Ok i respect that, but you know, some opinions are just wrong lol. |
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| Zild |
Science = math, chemistry, and physics
everything else = joke
And no opinions can't be wrong because they are opinions, not a statement of fact. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Science = math, chemistry, and physics
everything else = joke |
If you're using a narrow definition of "science," then math doesn't count as a science anyway since it doesn't deal with empirical hypotheses. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| And why would biology not be a science? :wtf: |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
And why would biology not be a science? :wtf: |
Unless you know the mathematics requisite to solve problems involving quantum mech then you aren't a scientist.
obviously i'm just joking here but that is my reasoning |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Science = math, chemistry, and physics
everything else = joke
And no opinions can't be wrong because they are opinions, not a statement of fact. |
Ok, thats a pretty extreme position. So all life, behavioural and social sciences are not "scientific" :wtf: .
Well, i guess that when opinions can be falsified, they stop being opinions. Since Psychology is considered by the vast consensus to be a science (due to the fact that it uses the scientific method to reach some facts), then your opinion is just wrong, in the sense that there is evidence that disproves it.
As far as i see, you only consider science things that can only be summed by precise mathematical formulas. You can do that in physics and chemistry because you usually have a limited amount of parameters which can be quantified. When you have cells, livers, minds, behaviours and societies, the mathematical method canno't be used, due to the fact that you have countless factors which interact with each other in complex and non-predictive ways. From that point of view, it is simply impossible (at least with our present-day knowledge) to create a mathematical formula of a living cell or social conformity. Despite of that, people are not giving-up, and hence they use a mixture of methodological quantitative techniques and verbal theoretical formulation. Whilst it is still not as elegant, precise and perfect as the mathematical ways of physics and chemistry, it is the best method we have today in describing complex systems such as those. And it seems to do the job. |
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| Zild |
| I'm joking around, and I'm not going to read all of that, so relax a little. I didn't read your other long ass post either. |
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| PETRAN |
| :whip: :whip: :mad: |
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| PETRAN |
| Ok, now i'm really pissed-off! Damn you...i'm going out for a drink, bye lol:cool: :p |
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| NeoPhono |
The advice already given is sound, but I'll throw in my two cents.
It's fairly clear you have a panic disorder with agoraphobia. SSRIs are definitely the pharmacologic treatment of choice. The BZs should only be used for acute episodes, but don't help the overall situation. In fact many of the quick-acting BZs can be habit forming and cause panic attacks as a withdrawal symptom and all BZs are sedating to some degree.
I know you said you tried an SSRI before and had some bad side effects. Realize two things; first, those could be transient side effects that often occur in the 2-4 weeks it takes for therapeutic effects to occur. Second, there is more than one SSRI and maybe trying a different one may be of benefit. If all SSRIs seem to be unsatisfactory, there are always tricyclics and even the often-misunderstood MAOIs. These are all drugs that help to stop panic attacks from occurring rather than treat the effects of a panic attack once it arises.
Also, CBT should definitely be looked into. This is especially true since it seems as if your panic episodes have definite triggers (social situations, situations where you feel trapped, etc.). No matter what the medical condition, a non-drug treatment is always best when available, and CBT has success rates that are just as high if not higher than any drug for panic disorder.
Regardless of what you decide, good luck. A true panic disorder with full-blown panic attacks is a horrific condition to be in. Just remember, BZs treat the symptoms, not the disease. For that you'll need to look into anti-depressants or hopefully CBT. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Science = math, chemistry, and physics
everything else = joke
And no opinions can't be wrong because they are opinions, not a statement of fact. |
I hate to break the bad news to you but Chemistry is almost as open a field as Psychology is. It's a common misconception.
Chemistry is just barely out of the alchemy phase, still utilizing many of the symbology of more ancient times, and functioning largely through guesstimation. Most of it can barely be explained beyond "Just because" once you start asking the right questions.
Which is why I love Chemistry, for the record. And Psychology. :) |
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