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| mfelner29 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
it appears hamas, the palestinians, the rest of the arab world, and much of europe doesn't "know" that they (i'm assuming you mean hamas) deserve an ass kicking. The unfortunate consequence is that palestinian civilians are bearing the most adverse consequences of this war, and israel is playing right into the hamas public opinion trap. the stubborness of the politicians on both sides is unfortunate for the civilians who die. |
Yup thats what I meant and totally agree with you on that it is a shame that the civilians have to be in the cross-fire in this mess but this is the price sometimes you have to pay. :( |
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| ownymcown |
| Israel needs to get taken down a notch, the US needs to stop dickriding it and let the UN throw some sanctions down on that biatch. |
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| PaulCky411 |
| i say let em fight until a clear winner is decided... so then they can move on... too bad i know that will never happen |
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| nerve |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psionic
I love how the mass media, until this point, didn't talk about how Hamas fires Qassam rockets into Israel on a nearly daily basis, to the point where mayors of some southern Israeli towns have resigned and residents have left their homes. Hamas had what was coming to them. |
The Hamas do not represent all of Palestine. Yes they deserve what was coming to them, but the Gaza citizens did not. Nor do they deserve that enclosure like a caged animal. I agree the area does need to be contained in some manner, but those walls and sanctions against the residents of that area do not deserve that inhuman treatment like that. NO ONE does. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nerve
The Hamas do not represent all of Palestine. Yes they deserve what was coming to them, but the Gaza citizens did not. Nor do they deserve that enclosure like a caged animal. I agree the area does need to be contained in some manner, but those walls and sanctions against the residents of that area do not deserve that inhuman treatment like that. NO ONE does. |
We should impose similar restrictions upon the Bronx, Eastern Brooklyn, and Newark. |
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| dennis |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
The unfortunate consequence is that palestinian civilians are bearing the most adverse consequences of this war, and israel is playing right into the hamas public opinion trap. the stubborness of the politicians on both sides is unfortunate for the civilians who die. |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by AY STAR
i dont wanna come off like sounding mean but
i think its just better that america doesnt stick its nose in on this war...we have our own problems in our own country
us being there wont solve nothing the people are still going to fight |
How about america has supplied israel with lots of big guns for many years.
We're involved. |
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| AY STAR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stassi
How about america has supplied israel with lots of big guns for many years.
We're involved. |
yea i know
i heard something like we paid them 3 million bucks a day in aid
not to get involved in the gulf war and attack iran or something
like i said i really hope we dont get involved with our troops or even more aid & support to either side |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dennis
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that doesn't give the israeli soldier the right to shoot the baby. if israel can kill the hamas militant in that picture with a sniper rifle, by-all-means go for it. however, that same militant shouldn't be targeted with hell-fire missiles that will assuredly kill the baby as well. i place as much blame on hamas for the death of the civilians, but since israel wants to be included as a civilized democracy, it must live by certain standards of civilized people. One such rule being not to indiscriminately kill civilians in war.
also, i'm not saying that hamas isn't a ty organization. I'm saying that there are palestinian civilians that aren't involved in terror who are dying. that's unfortunate because it breeds the terror that israel is trying to fight. |
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| dennis |
| But you do understand the problem that israel faces, right? Are they to sit back and let Hamas lob rockets into israel and do nothing because of the tactics that Hamas uses to fight the IDF (hiding amongst civilians)? Yes, killing civilians is SH!TTY, but at the same time, maybe there should be a revolution that ousts Hamas of power. Surely the innocent Palestinians realize that they are being used as pawns to be sacraficed on the stage of public opinion against israel and for Hamas.... |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dennis
But you do understand the problem that israel faces, right? Are they to sit back and let Hamas lob rockets into israel and do nothing because of the tactics that Hamas uses to fight the IDF (hiding amongst civilians)? Yes, killing civilians is SH!TTY, but at the same time, maybe there should be a revolution that ousts Hamas of power. Surely the innocent Palestinians realize that they are being used as pawns to be sacraficed on the stage of public opinion against israel and for Hamas.... |
in my revised post i said that israel has every right to take out the militants with precision. that doesn't mean they should use bombs to take out that same militant. israel absolutely has the right to defend itself. i revised my previous post to elaborate.
i highly doubt most palestinians think they are being used as pawns. they likely see hamas as the only organization providing for their welfare. when israel blocks basic needs from the palestinians and only hamas provides essentials, where else should the palestinians look for support? israel could likely prevent a new generation of terrorists by simply providing schools, power, food, water, health care, etc... to the palestinian people. if you treat people like criminals they will become criminals. |
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| Psionic |
| quote: | Originally posted by nerve
The Hamas do not represent all of Palestine. Yes they deserve what was coming to them, but the Gaza citizens did not. Nor do they deserve that enclosure like a caged animal. I agree the area does need to be contained in some manner, but those walls and sanctions against the residents of that area do not deserve that inhuman treatment like that. NO ONE does. |
I can differentiate between the two, hence why I said Hamas and not Palestine. I believe Palestinians have a right to call the region their homeland, and it's unfortunate that civilians are bearing many of the consequences for this. But how can a society that is so downtrodden by Hamas make progress when its funds go to terrorism? |
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