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Which Trance producer uses Fruity Loops? (pg. 9)
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| 4everX |
| [IT] Adam Szabo [\IT] |
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| a98 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
cant use the sidechain mechanisms inside a vst, eg if you wanted to use voxengo crunchessor or something similar. |
eeh yes you can? i don't know that particular plugin, but just tweak any button and then select "last tweaked parameter" and "link to controller", works on every vst and vsti plugin i've used..
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
warping? every daw supports this now, other than fl. likewise, i found edison to be very poorly integrated in comparison to the cubase wave editor. |
if you mean warping as in timestretching, fl does have that, and i think i read somewhere that it's the exact same algoritm that ableton uses.
to be honest i've still haven't used it though, cause i've been timestretching with sound forge for the past 6 years, so i'm so used to it. but i believe there was an option where you could just stretch the audiofile by dragging it (to longer), i think i saw a youtube video of this one. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by a98
eeh yes you can? i don't know that particular plugin, but just tweak any button and then select "last tweaked parameter" and "link to controller", works on every vst and vsti plugin i've used..
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what control are you going to link it to exactly? linking to the threshold will not have the same effect. if the compressor has a gain knob, you could link to that, but then you are assuming the gain control will impart the character (eg. a bit of emulated "analog warmth") of the actual compression code itself (I doubt this is ever the case).
compressors are not the only reason you might use sidechaining though. for example, vocoder plugins often use "sidechaining" to accept a stereo signal in, rather than only running in mono - you could never have a stereo vocoder in fl, until some form of sidechaining is developed.
| quote: | Originally posted by a98
if you mean warping as in timestretching, fl does have that, and i think i read somewhere that it's the exact same algoritm that ableton uses.
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warping is time stretching segments within an audio clip - not the entire clip. eg, if you have a drum loop and need to stretch out a kick so that it hits on beat (no, this is not the same as slicing it or using a beat slicer). |
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| a98 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
what control are you going to link it to exactly? linking to the threshold will not have the same effect. if the compressor has a gain knob, you could link to that, but then you are assuming the gain control will impart the character (eg. a bit of emulated "analog warmth") of the actual compression code itself (I doubt this is ever the case). |
how does linking it to treshold not have the same effect as a build in sidechain compressor? please tell me how a sidechain compressor works in your opinnion.
like i said, you can link peak controller to any knob you want. weather it's the "decay" in reverb, one slide in parametric eq, or treshold/gain in compressor. you can even link it to each effect's individual "level knob" (how much of the signal goes through the effect and how much of it doesn't), linking that to a compressor would also dublicate the sidechain compressor effect perfectly.
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warping is time stretching segments within an audio clip - not the entire clip. eg, if you have a drum loop and need to stretch out a kick so that it hits on beat (no, this is not the same as slicing it or using a beat slicer). |
you can always slice it to pieces and then stretch. and there's always external programs. that's why it's great that we have different sequencers with different features so there's something for everyone.
there's no use of trying to explain how to do something to a person who absolutely doesn't wanna use a certain sequencer anyway. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by a98
how does linking it to treshold not have the same effect as a build in sidechain compressor? please tell me how a sidechain compressor works in your opinnion.
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if you are linking the threshold, you are relying on the sound coming into the compressor being of a certain level before ducking will occur. if proper sidechaining is used, a uniform level of gain reduction will occur regardless of the level of the sound coming into the compressor. it's not the same, think about it.
| quote: | Originally posted by a98
you can always slice it to pieces and then stretch.
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this very convoluted. every other major daw can do it in one click + drag. if you were doing a remix of an old song with a lot of tempo jitter, this would be a nightmare...
anyway. these things are a pretty big pain in the ass, but they are workable. the poor multicore support, no auto pdc etc. are the real killers. if this is all fixed in v9, i would say fl has finally made its way back into the running. they have lost many customers along the way though, especially given the attitude of the developers towards fixing these issues. |
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| a98 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
if you are linking the threshold, you are relying on the sound coming into the compressor being of a certain level before ducking will occur. |
with peak controller you can adjust the signal, so that it sounds just right. so for instance if the treshold is pumping between -40 and -30, you can change it to -20 and -10, or whatever you need.
i could also complain that logic/cubase doesn't have pattern based sequencing system or step sequencer. but people who have absolutely no use for them, couldn't care less. same goes for auto pdc and ultimate warping features. |
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| B_man |
Well... it would seem that I'm looking forward to FL9's release. FL studio is currently using only one piston at the moment.
I shouldn't complain. Personally, FL has the best piano roll of any sequencer and I feel perfectly at home with its workflow. However, CPU overloads are my biggest distraction from my creativity... it would be stupid for modern CPUs to be incompatible. |
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| Spire |
Relax ladies! Proper/true sidechaining will be possible in FL Studio 9. How do I know this for a fact? Why, From the following youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohr14UotytI&fmt=22
Check out the video uploader (hint: Gol is Didier Dambrin, FL Studio chief dev) and the comments. Alse check out his other video uploads.
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| Stef |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spire
Relax ladies! Proper/true sidechaining will be possible in FL Studio 9. How do I know this for a fact? Why, From the following youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohr14UotytI&fmt=22
Check out the video uploader (hint: Gol is Didier Dambrin, FL Studio chief dev) and the comments. Alse check out his other video uploads.
:) |
Same crap UI |
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| Spire |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stef
Same crap UI |
FL has the most cohesive and byootiful UI of all hosts, IMO. |
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| noicuc |
| quote: | Originally posted by B_man
Well... it would seem that I'm looking forward to FL9's release. FL studio is currently using only one piston at the moment.
I shouldn't complain. Personally, FL has the best piano roll of any sequencer and I feel perfectly at home with its workflow. However, CPU overloads are my biggest distraction from my creativity... it would be stupid for modern CPUs to be incompatible. |
True. Best piano roll , yet runs on one piston. |
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| Lindo |
I was a fan of FL for the longest. The piano roll was awesome, patterns made it easy to setup a song structure(although a lot of them), and you can use your favorite VSTs inside the program too. It has tons of downfalls that other daws take care of with ease though. That's why for artists who work on a more "timeline" thought pattern will find programs like Cubase and Ableton work WAYYY better.
I slowly worked my way into Ableton 7 while still messing with FL just trying to get the hang of it. Once I realized its potential I did a 180 and said bye bye Fruity Loops.
Everyone has their own opinions, so IMHO, other daws are more supportive all you have to do is RTFM and get the hang of it. |
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