Originally posted by Omega_Blue
dude ruined "time of our lives" imo. and the encore was unecessary. i'm disappointed they didn't re-do "crush". :/
nefardec
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Originally posted by Viber
god that's so weird. the horn parts are so random lol.
i was here last summer:
philip glass doing powaqqatsi live:
glass plays a bassline on a synth with one hand, directs with the other, writes the music (which is philosohpical), and directed the documentary film which plays behind.
system-j, this is documentary music with an accompanying film, how do you feel about that?
and it's not pretentious, it's poignant.
enydo
I loved Koyaanisqatsi, I need to see the others.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by nefardec
yes, this is the 'primal layer' of the music, but it's not the only layer of the music.
It is, however, an example of what you asked for, and one that isn't simply "infantile".
The idea that art must have a subtext seems a one-dimensional conception of artistic merit. If you can't think about a hidden layer, it isn't art! The why I like music, particularly instrumental music, is because it's different to other art forms in this respect. It's why I despise rock journalism that reads like bad lit crit, lathering pretentious theory and analysis onto simplistic rhyming couplets.
Again, this is one of your "musts". Art must communicate something external or it is "masturbatory, indulgent, and pointless". Again I reply with Kandinsky. You have a prescriptive idea of what art is "SUPPOSED" to do.
Domesticated
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Originally posted by nefardec
so now you're techno's spokesperson?
You certainly seem to be making yourself out as such here, quoting Mills etcetera.
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Originally posted by nefardec
the beat isn't what moves your body, even, it's the other layered rhythms, particularly syncopated rhythms which move bodies. the four/four beat is more like a heartbeat or vehicle that drives the track along. i personally find it hard to 'dance' to simple four/four beats - unless you count fist pumping as dancing.
What? You can't be serious. If you take away the four-to-the-floor elements of a track, 99% of people would not be able to dance to it or understand the inherent rhythm. Why do you think all dance music outside of breaks and jungle uses this?
I see what you mean with that it's just a train to drive the rest of the track, but I see it more as the melodies are there to stop the beats from getting boring. That's why such simple songs like Phuture - Acid Tracks work. They have that steady beat, and that's what gets everyone moving. The acid on the top is just to prevent the beats from becoming monotonous. Take away the beats and the track would be incredibly awful to dance to.
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Originally posted by nefardec
Sometimes I am at a party and I'm like "what the am i doing here, and what are these noises? what is it about them that makes people all around the world do this every night until dawn?"
That happens to me all the time. I love it.
SYSTEM-J
Oh, and by the way...
RE:
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Originally posted by nefardec
probably
techno is the origin for many, though. also i think other types of dance music like house don't put the same emphasis on technology, experimentation, and futurism - house is more connected to the older tradition of disco, funk, etc. dub music is another revolutionary form of music, because of the way it broke down the pop song to introduce the idea of remixing and pioneered techniques for creating soundscapes.
house music basically began as a DIY disco movement, when music technology allowed kids in their basements to make disco music all by themselves and then give it frankie knuckles to play out. then people started digging the electronic sounds and djs started to play more of it. house is about groove, acid and techno are more about rewiring your brain, as well as early trance music too, i think.
So much for this not being about genres, eh? All that crap about you not defining genres based on philosophy and "lol, is capitalism a genre?" flippancy, and then you go on to make this post.
Omega_Blue
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Originally posted by nefardec
god that's so weird. the horn parts are so random lol.
man, the whole thing is so random. such an awful orchestrated accompaniment. when crush crescendos everything sounds misplaced and disappointing. i enjoyed the OP's video to a certain extent but not this.
edit: oh God 3:40 is horrendous with the rhythmic high-octave clarinet stab
nefardec
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You have a prescriptive idea of what art is "SUPPOSED" to do.
and you have a prescriptive idea of what art is "NOT SUPPOSED" to do. bite me :p
So Kandinsky is the supreme truth, just because you happen to agree with him?
nefardec
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
So much for this not being about genres, eh? All that crap about you not defining genres based on philosophy and "lol, is capitalism a genre?" flippancy, and then you go on to make this post.
so when did i say they were genres in this post?
i feel so honored to have a personal troll.
i'd better watch myself, lest i be flippant on tranceaddict.com!
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Originally posted by Domesticated
You certainly seem to be making yourself out as such here, quoting Mills etcetera.
no, i'm making mills out to be.
also, i am serious about the rhythm thing. you can only dance to straight 4 so much. ive deejayed enough to see this effect in person. if you just have straight kick for an awkward amount of time and then you thrown in syncopation it drives people wild.
MrJiveBoJingles
Enough fighting! Let's all just hold hands now and listen to some Deadmau5.
Domesticated
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Originally posted by nefardec
and you have a prescriptive idea of what art is "NOT SUPPOSED" to do. bite me :p
So Kandinsky is the supreme truth, just because you happen to agree with him?
He never said art is "not supposed" to be something, or if he did, that's not what he means. He's only implied that it shouldn't be restricted by boundaries and rules (i.e "techno is supposed to be..." or "music should be...") I agree with this.
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Originally posted by nefardec
also, i am serious about the rhythm thing. you can only dance to straight 4 so much. ive deejayed enough to see this effect in person. if you just have straight kick for an awkward amount of time and then you thrown in syncopation it drives people wild.
That's exactly what I was saying. A kick is the bit of the track that people dance to, but it's very boring unaccompanied. The melodies and other percussion are there to stop the kicks being boring.
Domesticated
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Enough fighting! Let's all just hold hands now and listen to some Deadmau5.
Go away, hippy. This thread is great. Argument, discussion, name calling, mud-slinging; they're all the same. :gsmile:
