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| The17sss |
Iran FTL
From another post... in case you all didn't watch it, this report was on 60 Minutes yesterday and is pretty powerful
Watch CBS Videos Online |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Iran FTL
From another post... in case you all didn't watch it, this report was on 60 Minutes yesterday and is pretty powerful
Watch CBS Videos Online |
A lot of that stuff, we'v done too, big deal. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Iran FTL
From another post... in case you all didn't watch it, this report was on 60 Minutes yesterday and is pretty powerful
Watch CBS Videos Online |
:rolleyes:
oh those evil evil Iranians. Lets go pick on them and make them look like blood thirsty animals.
Like that guy said in the video, it is hard to tell Iran no to torture when our government does it itself to others. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
:rolleyes:
oh those evil evil Iranians. Lets go pick on them and make them look like blood thirsty animals.
Like that guy said in the video, it is hard to tell Iran no to torture when our government does it itself to others. |
you can't even make a moral equivalency comparison to the two. lol... women getting the beat out of them if they go outside the home without their husband? public hangings? women getting stoned? gays getting exectued? Did you even listen to what that guy said happened to him... he had his balls smashed on the regular! |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
you can't even make a moral equivalency comparison to the two. lol... women getting the beat out of them if they go outside the home without their husband? public hangings? women getting stoned? gays getting exectued? Did you even listen to what that guy said happened to him... he had his balls smashed on the regular! |
We'v tortured, publicly hanged, and subjugated women. This "higher than thou" attitude will not fly with Iran. Preaching to them like school children will lead nowhere. |
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| The17sss |
| Krypton, I'm sorry but you just can't make an equal comparison between their human rights records, especially in current times, to ours. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Krypton, I'm sorry but you just can't make an equal comparison between their human rights records, especially in current times, to ours. |
and why's that? Our torture was for the War on Islam? |
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| The17sss |
| The war was/is not on "Islam", and nobody ever said it was. It is on Islamofascist terrorists and/or those who've hijacked the religion, so to speak, as a jusitification to kill the "infidels", as they call them. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
The war was/is not on "Islam", and nobody ever said it was. It is on Islamofascist terrorists and/or those who've hijacked the religion, so to speak, as a jusitification to kill the "infidels", as they call them. |
Riiight. That's why the only countries we invaded were Muslim countries right? Islamofascists? That's got to be one of the most ridiculous things I'v ever heard come out of the Rush Limbaugh brigades. First of all, Islam and fascism?? LOL. Countries with so-called "Islamic states" are more socialist than anything. You GOPer's should first learn what fascism and political Islam are, before stupidly linking the two together. Additionally, we created the atmosphere for such "Islamic radicals" to prosper.
Finally, we'v killed far more people than Islamic fundamentalists could ever hope for! Which comes to my original point. We are in no place whatsoever to tell Iran off on their human rights. Iran hasn't invaded other countries. Iran has not killed hundreds of thousands of people. Iran has not made refugees out of millions of people. Iran has tortured. Ok, fine, bad Iran. But who the are we to condemn them when we'v done the exact same thing on a SYSTEMATIC scale? The answer, we'r ing no one or at the very least, pathetic hypocrites.... |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Riiight. That's why the only countries we invaded were Muslim countries right? Islamofascists? That's got to be one of the most ridiculous things I'v ever heard come out of the Rush Limbaugh brigades. First of all, Islam and fascism?? LOL. Countries with so-called "Islamic states" are more socialist than anything. You GOPer's should first learn what fascism and political Islam are, before stupidly linking the two together. Additionally, we created the atmosphere for such "Islamic radicals" to prosper.
Finally, we'v killed far more people than Islamic fundamentalists could ever hope for! Which comes to my original point. We are in no place whatsoever to tell Iran off on their human rights. Iran hasn't invaded other countries. Iran has not killed hundreds of thousands of people. Iran has not made refugees out of millions of people. Iran has tortured. Ok, fine, bad Iran. But who the are we to condemn them when we'v done the exact same thing on a SYSTEMATIC scale? The answer, we'r ing no one or at the very least, pathetic hypocrites.... |
why do you hate your country so much, and sympathize with authoritarian american hating dictators so much? If you think our country hasn't done more good for the world than places like Iran, all I can do is give the face palm because this discussion isn't going anywhere. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Riiight. That's why the only countries we invaded were Muslim countries right? |
that's some poor causal linkage. the fact that we've only invaded muslim countries does not mean are waging a war against islam. First, there are only 2 examples. That's a pretty small sample. Second, if we were waging a war against islam we likely would have invaded saudi arabia, pakistan, iran, egypt, and indonesia also (much better targets for a war against muslims). Third, the war in afghanistan had a pretty obvious cause, which even the most incapable person could discern given the war began a month after 9/11. Fourth, the war in Iraq was either a personal vendetta of bush or a war for oil, it had nothing to do with muslims. What does it mean to you that the US is spending so much on humanitarian aid and for capital improvements for the iraqis?
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Islamofascists? That's got to be one of the most ridiculous things I'v ever heard come out of the Rush Limbaugh brigades. First of all, Islam and fascism?? LOL. Countries with so-called "Islamic states" are more socialist than anything. You GOPer's should first learn what fascism and political Islam are, before stupidly linking the two together. Additionally, we created the atmosphere for such "Islamic radicals" to prosper. |
I'm certainly no GOP'r, but the definition of fascism (unfortunately it's from wikipedia) is stunningly close to the political environment in many muslim countries:
Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[5] Fascists believe that nations and races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.[6] Fascist governments forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Finally, we'v killed far more people than Islamic fundamentalists could ever hope for! Which comes to my original point. We are in no place whatsoever to tell Iran off on their human rights. Iran hasn't invaded other countries. Iran has not killed hundreds of thousands of people. Iran has not made refugees out of millions of people. Iran has tortured. Ok, fine, bad Iran. But who the are we to condemn them when we'v done the exact same thing on a SYSTEMATIC scale? The answer, we'r ing no one or at the very least, pathetic hypocrites.... |
we have killed more people than islamic fundamentalists because we have better weapons. Give them the same weapons and they would use them far more dangerously.
We may have tortured people, but the vast majority of our population, i believe, is vehemently opposed to torture, and the practice is not only against US law, but is deplored socially. It certain isn't something to which any US official will admit. On the other hand, torture is a regular practice in many of these countries, and i'm unsure of the legal and moral standing of the practice in those countries (it would appear that it is not illegal). The fact that as a society we have opposed torture and we frown upon the practice and seek to eliminate the practice makes us morally superior to them in that respect (if their society doesn't view it in the same way). The fact that the practice occurs (or occurred) does not put us on equal footing. The standing of the practice on a societal level is just as important for our moral authority. |
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| The17sss |
Thank you Jerz for articulating that to Krypton. You know I got love for you, K-dawg.... but what troubles me isn't the nuances of say, one person's interpretations of the Geneva Conventions vs. another's, backed by this or that think tank. What bothers me is this attitude that is becoming so pervasive in this country... this sense of guilt for being an American is so much stronger among today's youth than ever before. It's really sad because so much of the historical significance of American exceptionalism and what set us apart from any other country in the world is being watered down and lost. We are being force fed guilt and the notion that we need to apologize to the rest of the world, as if we are really an evil nation that is responsible for the ills of the world, when it's quite the opposite.
And that's what I see with you... I can't think of one time I've seen you say anything positive about the country that allows you the individual liberty to speak out against it. You seem to have nothing but disdain for the U.S. and Israel, and always stand up to defend places that live by moral codes from 700 years ago, and/or are headed by American hating dictators or militants. We are genetically no different from any other country's people, thus not "better" than them, so in less than 300 years how did we become the most powerful, wealthy, the most prosperous, generous, innovative, militarily/diplomatically strong group of people in the history of the planet? With the same shared ideals and values of places like Iran, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Russia, Venezuela, and Gaza?
In a way, I don't blame you 100%... some of this must come from the indoctrinating policies of the public school systems that are becoming more and more agenda driven each year. Include a desperately sychophantic agenda driven liberal media, and a new administration that goes around the world apologizing for and criticizing America at every turn, and it becomes the norm. |
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