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| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Ahhh to live in the US and have the freedom to dissent. Too bad I can't say I hate the gov't of Iran and dissent if I lived there...because it legally endorses beating women and hanging homosexuals and has far less liberty and civil rights.
My statement stands unchallenged. the Republic of Iran. |
Word up........ Thats the best thing I have heard come out of California in long time. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Ahhh to live in the US and have the freedom to dissent. Too bad I can't say I hate the gov't of Iran and dissent if I lived there...because it legally endorses beating women and hanging homosexuals and has far less liberty and civil rights.
My statement stands unchallenged. the Republic of Iran. |
I'm not sure Hardcore Trancer can actually formulate a reason why Iran doesn't suck other than "the IDF sucks more," and "the US sucks too." |
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| Krypton |
So this excuses us killing hundreds of thousands of people and making millions refugees? That's great. Now I can kill 100 people, but if I help 100 people, it cancels out right?
| quote: | | Haha... it's actually a matter of profound arrogance to go around the world and apologize for your country, but say that only now is your country admirable because you happen to be president. And what came from his world apology tour? Nothing; the other countries all got what they want and gave Obama nothing he asked for. Hell yeah, they like this guy... all they have to do is keep showing adulation towards him and they'll continue to do what they want and get what they want. Excellent work. The world is supposed to love us know because of the great unifier (who is showing the highest polled partisan divide in history by the way) but instead we see N Korea testing a missle, Somali pirates brazenly taking Americans hostage (to which Obama refused to comment on like a ), Russia jacking up their military and planning to place warships in the caribbean again, the Chinese cyber spies breaking into our energy grid, and Ahmadinejad boasting about 7000 centrifuges running and being in the final stage of nuclear fuel development. |
His world apology tour? When the hell was he apologizing other than stating mistakes were made by our country. You want him to lie and say our wars of aggression were great? Obama has to strike a cord with world leaders and that's what this trip served to do. How are you going to expect out of one trip, in which he spends maybe less than a day in any one location, that all our problems are solved and world peace is finally achieved, etc etc. You conservatives have unattainable expectations of Obama, and for Bush, too easily attainable expectations.
| quote: | You might find this interesting- Obama today at Walter Reed speaking to some wounded troops:
"... first and foremost, I wanted to say thank you to them on behalf of a grateful nation. They've faced extraordinary challenges, and they have performed brilliantly in every mission that's been given to them. They have given Iraq the opportunity to stand on its own as a democratic country, and that is a great gift. |
It is a great gift. We sacrificed far too much for this country. Hell yes that is a gift.
| quote: | | Why are you stopping at the high school level? The universitiy teachings are the worst, in terms of indoctrinating liberal thought into the minds of people. I'm gald you've moved on from the lies that are told in church, but it is a reality that there are people in this world that are our enemies, hate what we stand for, and will always seek the end of American culture and civilization as we know it... and not because of George Bush or America being an international bully. |
Indoctrinating liberal thought? Oh, how it hurts right wingers that most intellectuals are liberal! And how staunchly they cling to the illusion that "terrorist networks" are out there who just hate our freedom, and blah blah blah. Utterly ridiculous. We'v been fooling around over there for decades and you people should have expected a negative reaction to that. Nobodies occupying us. Don't you notice that we are the occupiers, the ones initiating CIA-backed coups, and supporting dictators who suit our interests? You don't see that? |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
His world apology tour? When the hell was he apologizing other than stating mistakes were made by our country. |
I think Charles Krauthammer stated it best today when he said the following:
| quote: | I'm not against gift-giving in international relations. But it would be nice to see some reciprocity. Obama was in a giving mood throughout Europe. While Gordon Brown was trying to make his American DVDs work and the queen was rocking to her new iPod, the rest of Europe was enjoying a more fulsome Obama gift.
Our president came bearing a basketful of mea culpas. With varying degrees of directness or obliqueness, Obama indicted his own people for arrogance, for dismissiveness and derisiveness, for genocide, for torture, for Hiroshima, for Guantanamo and for insufficient respect for the Muslim world.
And what did he get for this obsessive denigration of his own country? He wanted more NATO combat troops in Afghanistan to match the surge of 17,000 Americans. He was rudely rebuffed.
He wanted more stimulus spending from Europe. He got nothing.
From Russia, he got no help on Iran. From China, he got the blocking of any action on North Korea.
And what did he get for Guantanamo? France, pop. 64 million, will take one prisoner. One! (Sadly, he’ll have to leave his swim buddy behind.) The Austrians said they would take none. As Interior Minister Maria Fekter explained with impeccable Germanic logic, if they’re not dangerous, why not just keep them in America?
When Austria is mocking you, you’re having a bad week. Yet who can blame Frau Fekter, considering the disdain Obama showed his own country while on foreign soil, acting the philosopher-king who hovers above the fray mediating between his renegade homeland and an otherwise warm and welcoming world? |
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar..._mr_presid.html
| quote: | | It is a great gift. We sacrificed far too much for this country. Hell yes that is a gift. |
You're missing the point completely... which is the sickening hypocricy from pre-election Obama statements, thoughts, and actions on the War compared to now. Hell, he's even asking Congress now for $82 billion in extra "special war funding"... somthing he voted against last year. You don't seem to get that Obama is typical politician with his own self interest in mind. Like so many others, he stands for nothing until he sees a poll about what the American people want, and then he goes out and tries to say what the American people want to hear while at the same time trying to falsely hold onto an ideology. This is how politicians are. They will sell you out and they will throw you overboard to save themselves. And they'll use you on their way up as often as they can at the same time... and the starry eyed believers in this cult of personality are being used.
| quote: | | Indoctrinating liberal thought? Oh, how it hurts right wingers that most intellectuals are liberal! And how staunchly they cling to the illusion that "terrorist networks" are out there who just hate our freedom, and blah blah blah. Utterly ridiculous. We'v been fooling around over there for decades and you people should have expected a negative reaction to that. Nobodies occupying us. Don't you notice that we are the occupiers, the ones initiating CIA-backed coups, and supporting dictators who suit our interests? You don't see that? |
First of all, that is classic arrogant speak by a liberal to proclaim that most intellectuals are liberal. I'm sorry, did you go to Harvard? Brown? Dartmouth? Give me a break. Look how badly you want to be one of those people. Well to people like me and millions of others around this country that actually toil in their own sweat to produce and create work, hearing that kind of elitist garbage is offensive. 70% of the jobs in this country are from small businesses. Elitists come out of $150,000 educations and think they know everything, when in reality most of them can't even change a ing tire. Secondly, there you go again with the "we are the occupiers" talk strait out of Al Jezeera. Funny that most of the places we "occupy" now don't want us to leave... a great example are some of the smaller towns in Germany who's local economy depends on the money that American military members blow while on assignment for 2 or 3 years at a time. |
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| Krypton |
Yea, I'm sure world peace can be achieved in a 24 hour stop in multiple capitals around the world...
| quote: | | You're missing the point completely... which is the sickening hypocricy from pre-election Obama statements, thoughts, and actions on the War compared to now. Hell, he's even asking Congress now for $82 billion in extra "special war funding"... somthing he voted against last year. You don't seem to get that Obama is typical politician with his own self interest in mind. Like so many others, he stands for nothing until he sees a poll about what the American people want, and then he goes out and tries to say what the American people want to hear while at the same time trying to falsely hold onto an ideology. This is how politicians are. They will sell you out and they will throw you overboard to save themselves. And they'll use you on their way up as often as they can at the same time... and the starry eyed believers in this cult of personality are being used. |
I'm missing the point? You mean you'r inferred point that, "They have given Iraq the opportunity to stand on its own as a democratic country, and that is a great gift." means Obama's completely abandoned his platform? Ridiculous. My point still stands. We gave the Iraqi's the biggest ing gift they could ever get from any country. Obama's statement is 100% true.
| quote: | | First of all, that is classic arrogant speak by a liberal to proclaim that most intellectuals are liberal. I'm sorry, did you go to Harvard? Brown? Dartmouth? Give me a break. Look how badly you want to be one of those people. Well to people like me and millions of others around this country that actually toil in their own sweat to produce and create work, hearing that kind of elitist garbage is offensive. 70% of the jobs in this country are from small businesses. Elitists come out of $150,000 educations and think they know everything, when in reality most of them can't even change a ing tire. |
You'r the one who just stated, "The universitiy teachings are the worst, in terms of indoctrinating liberal thought into the minds of people." Now you provide me with a bunch of school you perceive as 'not liberal'. So which is it? Universities are indoctrinating us with liberalism or they are not. LOL, look at how badly I want to be like these people? You don't even know me dude. My dream school is to go to Harvard School of Business, or at the very least, Wharton School of Business, but I know I'll never get in.
| quote: | | Secondly, there you go again with the "we are the occupiers" talk strait out of Al Jezeera. Funny that most of the places we "occupy" now don't want us to leave... a great example are some of the smaller towns in Germany who's local economy depends on the money that American military members blow while on assignment for 2 or 3 years at a time. |
Yea, I watch Al-Jezeera allllll the time. I get all my rhetoric from there...[insert sarcastic smiley]
Correction, most of the GOVERNMENTS we "occupy" don't want us to leave. The local populace ing hates our guts. Go to Germany, go to France. Your car will get spit on, you'll be threatened, people don't want to help you just because you are American. You have no idea. You give me Germany as an example, but yet, you don't even know first hand the sentiments of the local population regarding our military bases. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Yea, I'm sure world peace can be achieved in a 24 hour stop in multiple capitals around the world... |
Straw man alert! Who is arguing that such was the goal?
| quote: | | I'm missing the point? You mean you'r inferred point that, "They have given Iraq the opportunity to stand on its own as a democratic country, and that is a great gift." means Obama's completely abandoned his platform? Ridiculous. My point still stands. We gave the Iraqi's the biggest ing gift they could ever get from any country. Obama's statement is 100% true. |
You're still missing it. My how things have changed in terms of his rhetoric about our troops being heros doing an excellent job giving gifts now that he's the C.I.C.... compared to his August 2007 statements painting our troops as being irresponsible mindless drones who needlessly "air-raid villages and kill civillians". He voted to cut off funding while Bush was president, but now he's asking for funding while he is president... it's so ing obvious that he was part of the push between 2006-2008 by the democrats, who were calling the war "lost" before the surge started, to derail everything and saddle an Iraq defeat that would get hung around Bush's neck forever. It didn't happen, and now that Obama is in charge, that's the last thing he wants... the label as the one who was president during a military defeat. Yeah, our troops are now heroes after he gets elected...lol. Good god how can you not see that?
| quote: | | You'r the one who just stated, "The universitiy teachings are the worst, in terms of indoctrinating liberal thought into the minds of people." Now you provide me with a bunch of school you perceive as 'not liberal'. So which is it? Universities are indoctrinating us with liberalism or they are not. LOL, look at how badly I want to be like these people? You don't even know me dude. My dream school is to go to Harvard School of Business, or at the very least, Wharton School of Business, but I know I'll never get in. |
I wasn't providing schools that I perceive as "not liberal" at all. I was listing strongly liberal Ivey League schools because you pretty much implied liberals are the intellectuals, therefore you must be one too... so I was rhetorically asking if you've ever attended one of those schools (or one of that stature). I don't need to "know you"... I know the politically brainwashed liberal mind and that's enough. And yes, it is very well understood that the university system is a bastion of liberal ideals and thought.
| quote: | Yea, I watch Al-Jezeera allllll the time. I get all my rhetoric from there...[insert sarcastic smiley]
Correction, most of the GOVERNMENTS we "occupy" don't want us to leave. The local populace ing hates our guts. Go to Germany, go to France. Your car will get spit on, you'll be threatened, people don't want to help you just because you are American. You have no idea. You give me Germany as an example, but yet, you don't even know first hand the sentiments of the local population regarding our military bases. |
First, I didn't say you watched Al Jezeera... that comment was tongue-in-cheek.
Secondly, do you get your information first hand about how other countries feel about our presence or do you just soak up the Olbermanns of the world? Have you been to every single town in France? Germany? Kuwait? Kosovo? Japan? The Phillipeans?... and got that information from the locals? If that's true about France, that's ed up because they'd be speaking German and half their population would have starved to death if not for the Americans in WW2.
My brother is a Major in the Army and has been in for about 14 years now... lived in Germany for 3 years, and has been to all the other places I've mentioned (except France) and more for extended periods of time. First hand information says you're full of , and at best parlaying a few outlying examples into a blanket truth. So, where the have you been? And how reilable are your sources? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Straw man alert! Who is arguing that such was the goal? |
You did. Your complaining that nothing was done on these trips.
| quote: | | You're still missing it. My how things have changed in terms of his rhetoric about our troops being heros doing an excellent job giving gifts now that he's the C.I.C.... compared to his August 2007 statements painting our troops as being irresponsible mindless drones who needlessly "air-raid villages and kill civillians". He voted to cut off funding while Bush was president, but now he's asking for funding while he is president... it's so ing obvious that he was part of the push between 2006-2008 by the democrats, who were calling the war "lost" before the surge started, to derail everything and saddle an Iraq defeat that would get hung around Bush's neck forever. It didn't happen, and now that Obama is in charge, that's the last thing he wants... the label as the one who was president during a military defeat. Yeah, our troops are now heroes after he gets elected...lol. Good god how can you not see that? |
Explain to me how Obama's statement was false. The difference between being president and being a senator are starkly different from each other. I don't ever recall Obama ever bad mouthing soldiers who are just doing their job while Senator. Someone has to order the damn occupation and invasion. And kudos to the Dems for trying to end it. Iraq is still a hole, nothing's changed.
| quote: | | I wasn't providing schools that I perceive as "not liberal" at all. I was listing strongly liberal Ivey League schools because you pretty much implied liberals are the intellectuals, therefore you must be one too... so I was rhetorically asking if you've ever attended one of those schools (or one of that stature). I don't need to "know you"... |
Intellectuals tend to be liberal, I know it hurts, but that's the truth. But you'r assumption that I believe being an intellectual equates to being liberal is nonsense.
| quote: | | I know the politically brainwashed liberal mind and that's enough. And yes, it is very well understood that the university system is a bastion of liberal ideals and thought. |
Right, you sound like trancer- conspiracy whack job. I must be brainwashed right? If I am liberal? It's not because I actually believe in progressive ideas, nooooo. I was brainwashed!
| quote: | | First, I didn't say you watched Al Jezeera... that comment was tongue-in-cheek. |
I am the last person you want to be tongue-in-cheek with. I take everything literally.
| quote: | Secondly, do you get your information first hand about how other countries feel about our presence or do you just soak up the Olbermanns of the world? Have you been to every single town in France? Germany? Kuwait? Kosovo? Japan? The Phillipeans?... and got that information from the locals? If that's true about France, that's ed up because they'd be speaking German and half their population would have starved to death if not for the Americans in WW2.
My brother is a Major in the Army and has been in for about 14 years now... lived in Germany for 3 years, and has been to all the other places I've mentioned (except France) and more for extended periods of time. First hand information says you're full of , and at best parlaying a few outlying examples into a blanket truth. So, where the have you been? And how reilable are your sources? |
My girlfriend grew up in various places in Germany, especially close to the French/German border, and a few years in Spain. My father has been in the Army since 1981. I have plenty of anecdotal evidence if you want it. My girlfriend has been threatened in France just for being American. This is coming out of her mouth. 20% of Germans may love us, the rest are indifferent to hostile, and they looooooove seeing that American flag on the license plate...face it, no one likes foreign military bases in their country, the economic benefits. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
You did. Your complaining that nothing was done on these trips. |
My complaint revolves around the idea that Obama wasn't representing American interests abroad, because he was too busy ripping his own country and grovelling for acceptance. There was no reciprocity; his trip was an epic fail because after his submission, he still got nothing he wanted while the other leaders did. You're saying "well it's not like he's going to achieve world peace on one trip," when nobody argued that.
| quote: | | Explain to me how Obama's statement was false. The difference between being president and being a senator are starkly different from each other. I don't ever recall Obama ever bad mouthing soldiers who are just doing their job while Senator. Someone has to order the damn occupation and invasion. And kudos to the Dems for trying to end it. Iraq is still a hole, nothing's changed. |
The statement isn't false you bonehead... why do you keep going back to that? I'm talking about the hypocricy between Senator Obama and President Obama. Kudos to the Dems for trying to cut off funding for the troops and their supplies in the middle of a war? Kudos to the Dems for declaring the war lost before the surge could take effect, lowering military morale and emboldening the other side in the middle of a war? Uh, yeah dude... kudos.
And, this was Obama as a Senator on August 13th of 2007 while campaigning when asked about the situation in Afghanistan: "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians."
Cuz, you know, that's all our soldiers were doing over there, the robotic de-humanized people they are.
| quote: | | Intellectuals tend to be liberal, I know it hurts, but that's the truth. But you'r assumption that I believe being an intellectual equates to being liberal is nonsense. |
This was your statement----> Oh, how it hurts right wingers that most intellectuals are liberal!
If you make a statement like that, and you are a liberal, how is that NOT supposed to be read as equating intellectualism on yourself by fiat of being a liberal? And, why would that hurt me? It's not "the truth", it's your opinion; intellectualism can be defined several different ways, and you are insinuating political ideology is the defining variable. That's just veiled arrogance man. You're saying, in not so many words, that because I'm a conservative I just have to face the facts that the people I associate my political beliefs with just aren't as intellectually evolved as people like you.
| quote: | | Right, you sound like trancer- conspiracy whack job. I must be brainwashed right? If I am liberal? It's not because I actually believe in progressive ideas, nooooo. I was brainwashed! |
Trancer- who? What? Anyway the word "progressive" is just a substitute for the Amerian political sense of the word "liberal"... it's used to sound more open minded and advanced in one's thoughts, but it's not. It's just a synonym.
| quote: | | I am the last person you want to be tongue-in-cheek with. I take everything literally. |
I noticed.
| quote: | | My girlfriend grew up in various places in Germany, especially close to the French/German border, and a few years in Spain. My father has been in the Army since 1981. I have plenty of anecdotal evidence if you want it. My girlfriend has been threatened in France just for being American. This is coming out of her mouth. 20% of Germans may love us, the rest are indifferent to hostile, and they looooooove seeing that American flag on the license plate...face it, no one likes foreign military bases in their country, the economic benefits. |
You said the local populace ing hates our guts, and to expect your car to get keyed and to get spit on in foreign countries where we have military bases. Forget the ones who love us and the ones that are indifferent... they don't matter in the sake of this argument. I would be willing to bet the actual percentage of Germans who are hostile towards American military people is less than 1/2 of 1%. With a population of 82 million, even if 5% were hostile, you're talking about 4 million Germans. LOL... do you really think 4 million Germans are hostile towards American military people? 2 million? Do you have any idea what that would turn into? You read about and heard some anecdotal stories... and you let it morph into a Frankenstein that is totally not true. I'm not in the military but I've been all over Europe, to Central Asia, Russia, and SE Asia and I've never had any problems EVER. If some moron is going to put an American flag on his license plate or wear a shirt that says "America, yeah", then of course they're going to get some . There's always a few of those in the crowd. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
My complaint revolves around the idea that Obama wasn't representing American interests abroad, because he was too busy ripping his own country and grovelling for acceptance. There was no reciprocity; his trip was an epic fail because after his submission, he still got nothing he wanted while the other leaders did. You're saying "well it's not like he's going to achieve world peace on one trip," when nobody argued that. |
How was Obama ripping his own country? The trip's objective wasn't to negotiate treaties and "get stuff done". Again, we go back to my rhetorical statement (which you took literally for some reason), "you can't achieve world piece in a 24 hour stop." Did you even notice Obama's speech in Turkey was televised all across the Middle East live. Do you know what that has done to frayed Turkish-US relations? I guess that's nothing to you.
| quote: | | The statement isn't false you bonehead... why do you keep going back to that? I'm talking about the hypocricy between Senator Obama and President Obama. Kudos to the Dems for trying to cut off funding for the troops and their supplies in the middle of a war? Kudos to the Dems for declaring the war lost before the surge could take effect, lowering military morale and emboldening the other side in the middle of a war? Uh, yeah dude... kudos. |
You'r using that statement as an example of his supposed hypocrisy, yet, the statement is a horrible example on your part. Yes, kudos to Dems for trying to bring the troops home. Kudos to Dems for not wanting to waste any more blood and treasure on ing Iraq. Your only concern is whether we win a war, when the real issue is, whether that war is even justified in the first place. We should not win unjustified wars. Vietnam should have taught us that.
| quote: | And, this was Obama as a Senator on August 13th of 2007 while campaigning when asked about the situation in Afghanistan: "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians."
Cuz, you know, that's all our soldiers were doing over there, the robotic de-humanized people they are. |
What, you want Obama to sugar coat reality? I get it. You want war to be presented as noble, glorious, and censored of the true reality of such a despicable action.
| quote: | This was your statement----> Oh, how it hurts right wingers that most intellectuals are liberal!
If you make a statement like that, and you are a liberal, how is that NOT supposed to be read as equating intellectualism on yourself by fiat of being a liberal? And, why would that hurt me? It's not "the truth", it's your opinion; intellectualism can be defined several different ways, and you are insinuating political ideology is the defining variable. That's just veiled arrogance man. You're saying, in not so many words, that because I'm a conservative I just have to face the facts that the people I associate my political beliefs with just aren't as intellectually evolved as people like you. |
Sorry if you took it that way, but as you yourself have stated, "universities are indoctrinating liberal ideas into students". That would imply intellectuals/scholars are for the most part, liberal. Never said there are no conservative intellectuals, as there are many. And yes, education does play a huge role in political beliefs. Generally, the more educated one is, the more liberal they tend to be. But I never said this is always the case. So don't take it that way.
| quote: | | Trancer- who? What? Anyway the word "progressive" is just a substitute for the Amerian political sense of the word "liberal"... it's used to sound more open minded and advanced in one's thoughts, but it's not. It's just a synonym. |
You know who trancer-x is. And really, you should refrain from the utterly ridiculous argument that I'v been brainwashed. Usually, I'd simply tell you to off, but I like you, so I used sarcasm to point out how ridiculous your 'brainwash' comments were.
| quote: | | You said the local populace ing hates our guts, and to expect your car to get keyed and to get spit on in foreign countries where we have military bases. Forget the ones who love us and the ones that are indifferent... they don't matter in the sake of this argument. I would be willing to bet the actual percentage of Germans who are hostile towards American military people is less than 1/2 of 1%. With a population of 82 million, even if 5% were hostile, you're talking about 4 million Germans. LOL... do you really think 4 million Germans are hostile towards American military people? 2 million? Do you have any idea what that would turn into? You read about and heard some anecdotal stories... and you let it morph into a Frankenstein that is totally not true. I'm not in the military but I've been all over Europe, to Central Asia, Russia, and SE Asia and I've never had any problems EVER. If some moron is going to put an American flag on his license plate or wear a shirt that says "America, yeah", then of course they're going to get some . There's always a few of those in the crowd. |
Her dad worked for the US military, so they had to have a US flag on the license plate. Never mind that. Whatever you just said here is moot. I'll bet the vast majority of citizens in any one country are against foreign military forces having bases in their country. How would you like Chinese army bases on our territory? |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Her dad worked for the US military, so they had to have a US flag on the license plate. Never mind that. Whatever you just said here is moot. I'll bet the vast majority of citizens in any one country are against foreign military forces having bases in their country. How would you like Chinese army bases on our territory? |
I'd like to respond to all of what you said but I'm on vacation and only have a minute... and this is the one piece I want to make a quick comment on. Our military bases are in certain countries under contractual agreements with those host governments, and we pay them lots of money to be there. We aren't just staking claims to portions of their land and saying it's ours to do with what we please, and thus are not "occupiers". If they wanted us out, or if there was even a sliver of enough pressure from the populations or other allied states on the government, they could tell us to leave and we couldn't do much about it. It happened in Uzbekistan with the military base we had there a couple of years ago, and it just happened in Krgystan a few months ago "coincidentally" after their president met with Putin. And there's nothin we can do about it. So, if the people are up in arms with hatred and distain for Americans, they need to pressure their own leaders. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I'd like to respond to all of what you said but I'm on vacation and only have a minute... and this is the one piece I want to make a quick comment on. Our military bases are in certain countries under contractual agreements with those host governments, and we pay them lots of money to be there. We aren't just staking claims to portions of their land and saying it's ours to do with what we please, and thus are not "occupiers". If they wanted us out, or if there was even a sliver of enough pressure from the populations or other allied states on the government, they could tell us to leave and we couldn't do much about it. It happened in Uzbekistan with the military base we had there a couple of years ago, and it just happened in Krgystan a few months ago "coincidentally" after their president met with Putin. And there's nothin we can do about it. So, if the people are up in arms with hatred and distain for Americans, they need to pressure their own leaders. |
I said earlier, "...most of the GOVERNMENTS we 'occupy' don't want us to leave. The local populace ing hates our guts." Notice how I put the word occupy under quotation marks? I never said we occupy Germany or France. Nevertheless, I'd be confident to say the vast majority of the people in any one country are against foreign military bases inside their country...in a time of peace. This isn't the Cold War. This isn't World War II. There is no need to have military bases all over the world. |
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South Korea = Prosperous
North Korea = hole
Differences...South Korea - US military bases
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