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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
LOL... pull the string on your back and the same 10 things or so always come out. |
I'm sorry I laughed out loud at this, sorry PKC, sorry.
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| who needs more than 10 things when dealing with 17sss? ;) |
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| 9Vibes |
I say we all carry those H2O into space and dump them. But only if possible.. haha .
Thou it would be cool to watch a gigantic spaceship dumping water into the space. Oh and dont forget those empty coke bottles. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| if you are stupid enough to live close to the sea, rivers, etc. then you deserve to die by drowning......ing idiots |
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| boris_the_bear |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
if you are stupid enough to live close to the sea, rivers, etc. then you deserve to die by drowning......ing idiots |
:stongue: the Einstein has spoken! |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by psymon.d
Based on these, we're rapidly changing temperature via our influence, and as I'm sure you know, rapid changes on Earth mean for serious consequences on the biosphere with as little as a few changes in terms of degrees centigrade, not to mention the widely predicted and accepted variations in precipitation. While I agree that all life will not end because of warming and climate change, much of it will. And personally, I'm not detached nor irresponsible enough to brush it off or basically think ' it'. |
I'm not massively convinced by the tree rings proof, because they don't show temperatures in the Middle Ages that were recorded in history. As I said earlier, it's recorded that vinyards existed in Medieval Britain and yet tree-ring data would deny that it was possible to grow grapes in such temperatures.
I think it's up in the air how much damage we'll actually do to the environment. Personally I think humanity is in far more trouble than most other life. I predict some large scale famines and disasters if we carry on that will forcefully cull our global population and rectify our influence on the biosphere before we reach the stage of destroying the world.
The recent United Nations GEO-4 Report suggested that we face an unrealistic balancing act trying to maintain the current population with the available resources. It said we each need 21.9 hectars of land each to match our living requirements, and yet the Earth only has 15.7 per person, and with population explosion in Africa and other places it's simply going to get harder and harder to avoid famine. To me this is a much more pertinent issue than global warming, and sadly I can't see any way of stopping it happening. |
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| psymon.d |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm not massively convinced by the tree rings proof, because they don't show temperatures in the Middle Ages that were recorded in history. As I said earlier, it's recorded that vinyards existed in Medieval Britain and yet tree-ring data would deny that it was possible to grow grapes in such temperatures.
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Aren't there vineyards in Britain today?
The "Hockey Stick" graph is built with deviations in mind. It's showing the bigger picture.
I didn't know much about the medieval vineyards, but you may find this article I found interesting
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11644
How do you respond to the almost vertical increase in atmospheric CO2 (around the time of the invention of the steam engine onwards)in relation to the sharp increase in temperature?
I agree that the Human race faces serious, serious challenges ahead, but that's another discussion. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
There maybe vineyards in the South, but I've never seen one. Even if there are loads of British vineyards now, it would still imply that the temperature in the Medieval period was much closer to what it is today than the graph indicates. Drawing conclusive statements about the entire world's climate from the results of trees in one small area, results influenced by factors such as rainfall, is a bit premature for me. There's definitely a correlation, but the accuracy is open to debate.
I'm not denying either climate change or human influence on it. I don't think we can sustain ourselves for long enough to cause a large scale disaster though. I think it's more likely that our population will rapidly drop and then level out to leave a more sustainable, developed civilisation before we wipe out a good percentage of life on Earth. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Another idea is to start to electrolyze seawater in my solar ovens back to their source elements of hydrogen and oxygen, the hydrogen could be used for natural gas while the oxygen could enhance the air quality.
You think the great pyramids were great, just give me a chance to employ the unemployed of the world on making a giant world spanning sewage system to prevent 1/100th of the worlds land surface from plunging under the seas. My designs are beautful, and include gardens. |
these are some excellent ideas.
electrolysis of seawater i think is the future of energy.
also the sewage system could be a good idea, as long as it is contained, or there could be serious ecological ramifications. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I've been saying this for a while. Even if humanity is responsible for global warming it's mere hubris to assume we're going to destroy the world. A thousand years ago people used to grow wine in England and you could never do that today. Back when dinosaurs ruled the earth the poles were far warmer and more inhabitable than they are today. |
I don't think anyone really thinks that humans will destroy the world through climate change; rather, the concern is that we will make the world inhospitable to humans. Indeed, the planet will solve this problem if we don't; however, if we simply let nature take it's course there will be a far greater amount of suffering and death amongst human populations (an most animals) because the planet doesn't really consider us in it's plans. |
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| psymon.d |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Drawing conclusive statements about the entire world's climate from the results of trees in one small area, results influenced by factors such as rainfall, is a bit premature for me. There's definitely a correlation, but the accuracy is open to debate. |
You're entitled to be skeptical, but I wouldn't think that the hundreds of scientists who've devoted their careers to this study would assert something that would be subject to pitfalls to ones brief and [most likely, could be wrong here] amateur analysis (with no offense intended). |
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