|
Religion (pg. 5)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| hundred |
i didn't read the thread, but i like this quote:
"religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful"
what |
|
|
| Audious |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
Being the exact thing that religion instills in its followers |
I still disagree entirely. I've never ran into anything where I've said, "Oh, my religion says don't do this."
That's like saying "Law is the opiate of the masses." I think what you're trying to say is, "Judeo-Christian religions are the opiate of the masses." Which even then is not true. It may be true for larger-scale denominations and religions such as Catholicism, Islam and Judaism, but there are plenty denominations that are more than open to a lot more things than the big denominations. So to say "Religion is the opiate of the masses," is flawed. I believe in a higher being, I don't believe it watches us or sends us to hell for being gay, or saves us for praying. Religion isn't always intended to be the commanding force in someone's life. |
|
|
| enydo |
All I know about religion is that I tried very hard at it for about 10 years. I went to church weekly with my family, I participated in a lot of youth stuff and made a lot of friends through it, but I just couldn't ever "get it".
I wanted to believe, I wanted to feel what all these people seemed (or claimed) to be feeling, but it never came. There was never some moment where I felt saved or that my life had been changed, nothing. My family eventually stopped going to church as the one we went to was bought by an office supplies company, and since then I've just progressively begun to realize that I just simply cannot buy into that type of stuff.
I'm not an atheist, and neither am I a believer, so I shall remain in the blurry "in-between" for now. |
|
|
| gehzumteufel |
| Where'd chachiii go? |
|
|
| Ania_xox |
| Oh yes. What a plague on society for someone to use something they can't see as a means through which to cope with the death of someone they love. How horrible it is that such a process of thinking helps one to get over things and move on with their life. |
|
|
| Halcyon+On+On |
| This is about religion; not Kleenex. |
|
|
| stren |
 |
|
|
| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
I wanted to believe, I wanted to feel what all these people seemed (or claimed) to be feeling, but it never came. There was never some moment where I felt saved or that my life had been changed, nothing. |
guess what, it never will..
the only one who can save you is yourself. stop looking for god in everything and look in yourself.
that is the ultimate message of most religions, but unfortunately this gets covered up by all of the other political and social aspects. anyone who is truly religious understands this on an intimate level. the others are just as clueless as you were and they form groups so that they don't feel so stupid and worthless.
basically the way I think about it is like this. someone said earlier that religion is a 'fixed fantasy'. i say, 'reality' is a fixed fantasy. anything we call reality is a temporary fantasy, the product of momentary consciousness. the human mind seems hard-wired to create these singular fantasies, without them it would go crazy. (literally) I believe there are infinite realities and that it is possible to traverse them. (read jorge luis borges' 'garden of forking paths') However, most people do not want to deal with the indecision and fear that results from the sheer multitude of possibilities, realities that is the universe.
the idea of infinity and the unknown is like the ultimate fear.
it's as if everyone cowers on his own ledge on a cliff that is infinitely tall, falling into an infinite abyss. everyone clings desperately to his ledge lest they fall into eternity, clings to that little oasis/mirage which he names 'reality', because they can't comprehend or if even begin to deal with the vast abysmal expanse of nothing that is everything, the speck that they represent in the wholeness of creation. (not making a comment on who/what the creator is, just that there must have been some creation)
believing something is real sublimates the ethereal nature of matter. matter is spirit beheld through the lens of consciousness.
also i just wanted to say that the prehistory of religion is a very interesting thing to get into. one of the theories of early religion is that it evolved (lol irony) in humans from earlier primates along with an increased emotional capacity. religion developed first in places like the russian steppes and deserts of the world, during and after the ice age. humans were relatively weak animals, scavengers on the earth, they could only really eat nuts and berries by themselves. daily subsistence was a challenge. humans coped with the harshness of existence by bonding with one another, helping one another out - this over time resulted in a species of man with increased emotional capacities. those who could bind together tightly were more likely to survive. early religion, cults, sacred oaths, secret societies, etc essentially evolved out of the necessity for survival. as man began to master his environment then and settle down, the nature of these emotional bonds became based on the retention of power and control, beginning with chief-based tribal societies, gift-giving, etc to where we are now... |
|
|
| enydo |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
guess what, it never will..
the only one who can save you is yourself. stop looking for god in everything and look in yourself.
|
I guess I wasn't clear, this is actually how I feel about things at this point.
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
that is the ultimate message of most religions, but unfortunately this gets covered up by all of the other political and social aspects. anyone who is truly religious understands this on an intimate level. the others are just as clueless as you were and they form groups so that they don't feel so stupid and worthless.
|
Ugh... ok whatever makes you happy man. You are probably one of the most condescending people (online) I have ever seen. |
|
|
| LoveStoned |
Happy Resurrection Day Guys!!
 |
|
|
| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ania_xox
Oh yes. What a plague on society for someone to use something they can't see as a means through which to cope with the death of someone they love. How horrible it is that such a process of thinking helps one to get over things and move on with their life. |
its not horrible, just pathetic. |
|
|
| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveStoned
Happy Resurrection Day Guys!!
|
Haha, your resurrection is a collage and therefore completely metaphorical meaning Christ is still dead trolltrolltroll |
|
|
|
|
